The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[SPman]

Actually I would have voted for the Maori Party at the last election but I was not able to do that, I was not able to go onto the Maori roll either!

(Seems like separate development which used to be called apartheid in South Africa but maybe it's still required here for a little while longer yet.)

I like the way that the advent of the Maori Party (via MMP) has given "Maori" (right or wrong, just my opinion) a greater presence in national politics!

Unfortunately it appears that minor parties that run with the major parties carry far too much of the blame for what the major coalition partner does that's unpopular!

Hardly just criticism but that's the way it turns out, maybe the Maori party should just agree to limit their support to confidence and supply!

The best thing that Maori ever did was break their demeaning grip on the Labour party's apron strings and stand on their own two feet. RESPECT for that!

You could have, you know - you don't have to be on the Maori Roll.
I party voted MP for 2 elections, then, when they went with the nats, and had to swallow too many dead rats to retain any degree of credibility, I voted Mana ..........
Now, I'd just like to vote out the barrel of a .308............

[HenryDorsetCase]

You could have, you know - you don't have to be on the Maori Roll.
I party voted MP for 2 elections, then, when they went with the nats, and had to swallow too many dead rats to retain any degree of credibility, I voted Mana ..........
Now, I'd just like to vote out the barrel of a .308............

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[oldrider]

You could have, you know - you don't have to be on the Maori Roll.
I party voted MP for 2 elections, then, when they went with the nats, and had to swallow too many dead rats to retain any degree of credibility, I voted Mana .............................. (Mana ...There's a dead rat right there!)
Now, I'd just like to vote out the barrel of a .308............

Ouch ... you must be having a bad day!

I made enquiries through the electoral office and some other government department (can't remember now) and they were adamant!

[Winston001]

Bwhahahahaa .. when opinion polls show 68% of New Zealanders do not want the sales to go ahead???

So lets deal with this hollow argument - which many people make not just you BB.

The National Party manifesto was very clear at the last election - they proposed selling 49% of the power companies. If you didn't agree, vote elsewhere.

Most people didn't like it but overall, voted for National as the most preferred party.

There was your referendum right there.

Every political party has a set of ideas and individually there are ideas we do not like. So it then becomes a judgement as to which party you think has the best ideas despite the odd dead rat in the mix.

Then you cast your votes. FYI my votes were National and Green. I cherish our environment and do not want National and Labour to be too relaxed.

[Winston001]

...opinion polls show 68% of New Zealanders do not want the sales to go ahead!

This points up the problems inherent with opinion polls and referenda. Ask any question and you will get a populist answer.

"Should GST be abandoned?" - Answer - 93% - YES.

"Should prison sentences be fully served?" - Answer - 96% - YES.

"Should all tax rates rise to pay for the extra prisons?" - Answer 81% - NO.

You can go on and on but the central point is, the average person does not have enough information to give intelligent considered answers to simplistic questions. Which ultimately is why we elect MPs to do the worrying for us. Its not an easy job.

[Brian d marge]

Im also going with the environment as my number one issue , I mean I can eat a rabbit but , $40 us dollars , even if mixed in an omelet tastes terrible

So any party who does that gets my vote

IN THE MEANTIME you need a fiscally responsible GOVERNMENT ( not a separate treasury ) to keep the bond rates low IF we are to remain on the worlds stage using the current monetary system ( which cant last for long!)

So voting is a good thing as long as you realize they are all talking out of their arse ,,,,( as long as they /we keep pumping debt into the system were doomed I tell ye )



Stephen

[avgas]

This points up the problems inherent with opinion polls and referenda. Ask any question and you will get a populist answer.

"Should GST be abandoned?" - Answer - 93% - YES.

"Should prison sentences be fully served?" - Answer - 96% - YES.

"Should all tax rates rise to pay for the extra prisons?" - Answer 81% - NO.

You can go on and on but the central point is, the average person does not have enough information to give intelligent considered answers to simplistic questions. Which ultimately is why we elect MPs to do the worrying for us. Its not an easy job.

Common misconception.
Many things are driven by the people. The banks we choose, the food we eat, our entire lives.

While you will never get a consensus about a topic - doesn't mean you should hand your responsibility for that topic for someone else to decide. Instead a compromise should be found. In a compromise both parties lose a little and the middle ground is found.

Should GST be abandoned? No - but is it right the way it is - possibly right. So perhaps we look at what we are spending GST on before trying to remove or reduce it.

Should full prison sentences be served - definitely. Otherwise why have a judge? May as well have a machine that spits out a random number for the amount of time of prison. Fact is that if the full sentence is consistently not served, we need to change the amount given - not fudge it at the other end.

Should tax pay for more prisons? Is tax the only way to make money? Could the prisons not become factories with a free workforce? Or are we being blind and deaf as well as dumb when it comes to topics?

People are smarter that they have ever been - but their choices are limited to "yes/no" or "Vote". Rather than "submit a proposal".
Until this changes we will continue to make dumb choices due to poor questioning.

But no - keep voting and placing your entire faith in someone else. I am sure they will do a wonderful job for you and if they don't you can always bitch and moan about how the world hasn't changed in your lifetime and you face the same problem your parents did.

Or we could have real change in society.

[avgas]

So voting is a good thing as long as you realize they are all talking out of their arse

That is the same as saying serial rapists are good people once you get past the rape bit.

[Banditbandit]

So lets deal with this hollow argument - which many people make not just you BB.

The National Party manifesto was very clear at the last election - they proposed selling 49% of the power companies. If you didn't agree, vote elsewhere.

Most people didn't like it but overall, voted for National as the most preferred party.

There was your referendum right there.

Every political party has a set of ideas and individually there are ideas we do not like. So it then becomes a judgement as to which party you think has the best ideas despite the odd dead rat in the mix.

Then you cast your votes. FYI my votes were National and Green. I cherish our environment and do not want National and Labour to be too relaxed.

Oh the idealism of the Right ... do you seriously believe that ??? After all these years of election promises which are then broken or misplaced or ignored ...

Do you seriously believe what the parties say at elections - which is just to get elected ??? Said to gain power ???

And here I thought that the left was idealistic ..

[Brian d marge]

That is the same as saying serial rapists are good people once you get past the rape bit.

Yup bad aint it

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[Ocean1]

Oh the idealism of the Right ... do you seriously believe that ??? After all these years of election promises which are then broken or misplaced or ignored ...

Do you seriously believe what the parties say at elections - which is just to get elected ??? Said to gain power ???

Either National are a bunch of cunts for not following through on their election promises to sell asset shares, or they're a buch of cunts for keeping that promise?

Good to see the loony left continue to want to eat their cake and keep it.


Or was that someone else's cake?

[SPman]

Or was that someone else's cake?

No, it was our cake, but the idealogues sold half to their mates to eat.

You can go on and on but the central point is, the average person does not have enough information to give intelligent considered answers to simplistic questions. Which ultimately is why we elect MPs to do the worrying for us. Its not an easy job.

To quote Thomas Jefferson....

- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

- I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

Given the current track record of politicians, I think a lot of average people have more information and are making more intelligent considered answers than the pollies are - shit some of them are thick! (that's apart from ego-centric, venal, sly, condescending, sociopathic, etc etc.....)

[BoristheBiter]

No, it was our cake, but the idealogues sold half to their mates to eat.



Given the current track record of politicians, I think a lot of average people have more information and are making more intelligent considered answers than the pollies are - shit some of them are thick! (that's apart from ego-centric, venal, sly, condescending, sociopathic, etc etc.....)

No it was my cake not yours....... see where this thinking ends up ends up.


So just like KB then.

[Banditbandit]

Either National are a bunch of cunts for not following through on their election promises to sell asset shares, or they're a buch of cunts for not keeping that promise?

Good to see the loony left continue to want to eat their cake and keep it.


Or was that someone else's cake?

Oh sorry - I wasn't just referring to the Nats ... sorry if you gained that impression ... I meant ALL parties .. both left and right ...

[Akzle]

I mean I can eat a rabbit but , $40 us dollars , even if mixed in an omelet tastes terrible

so youre suggesting rabbits as currency?

So just like KB then.

i reckon kb would be an epic government. Smokey can have the immigration portfolio, i got dibs on drugs and transport/roading, mashy gets education...i think rastus can have policing.
You. You can clean the toilets.