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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    What injustice,
    That would be - signing a contract and then shitting all over it. Even by the English language version of the contract it was broken pretty much from day 1.

    Not that it's any surprise that those in government don't live by their own rules, but level of hypocrisy is pretty astounding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    when a land is colonised its game over.
    Said every coloniser ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyrobot View Post
    Wait - 99 is before 96 now?



    Nah, I was just surprised because I can't imagine anyone tutoring the Treaty without knowing about the Declaration. Besides, you didn't correct me - you just offered an opinion.

    Putting aside your speculation on the motives of 'the crown', they essentially signed a contract and then totally ignored it and broke the terms for the next 130 years or so. The 'principles' that you linked to on the TPK page are an attempt to redress that injustice.
    As per my post 99, I was writing that Maori instigated the whole thing. His earlier post 96 didn't address that.

    The TPK is about sorting things out just as the Waitangi Tribunal is. It could just as easily have been a case of "Like it or lump it" as happens in many other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyrobot View Post
    Pssst... You are referring to this post, but BanditBandit had actually mentioned the Declaration two pages and 30 something posts earlier here. Just following your suggestion and doing some research :P

    Saddle might be a bit loose on your high horse.
    Thanks .. I knew it was there somewhere .. just not high enough on my radar to go adn look ..
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Thanks .. I knew it was there somewhere .. just not high enough on my radar to go adn look ..
    Interesting, not much about moving ahead from you and the 'bot but quite a lot of blaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    What injustice, when a land is colonised its game over. Why should they get a prize for being second.
    Because unlike a lot of other wars, there wasn't a winner. Winners get to make rules, losers get to live by them. Unfortunately, the sides in this case decided to come to an agreement (except they had different agreements in mind).

    And this is why we sit some 150 years later still unable to fucken move on, get over it and be productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    And this is why we sit some 150 years later still unable to fucken move on, get over it and be productive.
    the system does not facilitate that shit. The system perpetuates the system for its own benefit and the benefit of any jews who love the system.
    And you likely spend >45% of your life paying to support that system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    …...we sit some 150 years later still unable to fucken move on, get over it and be productive.
    Actually not all of us belong to the Perpetual Grievance Industry. Many of us focus on being productive instead and paying our own way and not expecting handouts on the basis of what a bunch of long-dead people did or didn't do, say, write, sign, believe, posture, extort or grant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Interesting, not much about moving ahead from you and the 'bot but quite a lot of blaming.
    Huh ?? Where .. ??? Show me ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremlin View Post
    And this is why we sit some 150 years later still unable to fucken move on, get over it and be productive.
    let me see now

    Māori economy worth $36Bilion dollars annually ...

    Higher percentage of Māori in tertiary education than Pākehā ...

    Māori highest percentage of entrepreneurs of any group in the WORLD ...

    Plus a few more ,, but that will do for now ...


    The "stuck 150 years ago" mindset is not ours ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    let me see now

    Māori economy worth $36Bilion dollars annually ...

    Higher percentage of Māori in tertiary education than Pākehā ...

    Māori highest percentage of entrepreneurs of any group in the WORLD ...

    Plus a few more ,, but that will do for now ...


    The "stuck 150 years ago" mindset is not ours ...
    Think the out-of-mindset may apply though, or some statistical massaging.

    Oh, and toilet brewed alcohol in prison doesn't count as entrepreneurial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Huh ?? Where .. ??? Show me ???
    Your post number 74. No reply to my request for supporting data about your statement in it regarding "He represents a significant body of opinion..."

    Your post 76: Not validated by info when challenged by jahrasti. It sounded more like John Key, "Unsure, unsure..."

    Your post 105: Vitriolic, "anger and frustation about the position of Maori in this country" etc and still blaming colonisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Your post number 74. No reply to my request for supporting data about your statement in it regarding "He represents a significant body of opinion..."

    Your post 76: Not validated by info when challenged by jahrasti. It sounded more like John Key, "Unsure, unsure..."

    Your post 105: Vitriolic, "anger and frustation about the position of Maori in this country" etc and still blaming colonisation.
    Thanks. Let me go back and look at all that and get back to you.
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedder View Post
    Your post 76: Not validated by info when challenged by jahrasti. It sounded more like John Key, "Unsure, unsure..."
    Let me deal with this one - it's quick and easy. I was in court, as I said ... I have a clear memory of the sentences, and I thoyught at the time it was racist ... I can't back that up from memory - but I do know that it was commented on elsewhere ...

    Yes, I'm unsure .. I don;t think there is anythign wrong with being unsure .. and I am not sure I want to devote the time and energy to back up what I said here.

    Buit I fail to see how pointing to an event that happened in the recent past (i.e. my lifetime) means that I am "stuck in the past" - that challenge is usually leveled at people stuck inthe 19th century. In this context I refute the challenge. It is about dealing with issues that occur in today's world.
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Let me deal with this one - it's quick and easy. I was in court, as I said ... I have a clear memory of the sentences, and I thoyught at the time it was racist ... I can't back that up from memory - but I do know that it was commented on elsewhere ...

    Yes, I'm unsure .. I don;t think there is anythign wrong with being unsure .. and I am not sure I want to devote the time and energy to back up what I said here.

    Buit I fail to see how pointing to an event that happened in the recent past (i.e. my lifetime) means that I am "stuck in the past" - that challenge is usually leveled at people stuck inthe 19th century. In this context I refute the challenge. It is about dealing with issues that occur in today's world.
    It comes across as stuck in the past Bb. You don't see me going on about my ancestor killed in the Battle of Gate Pa for example but perhaps I should.

    There's a process and resources in place to enable people to move ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akzle View Post
    the system does not facilitate that shit. The system perpetuates the system for its own benefit and the benefit of any jews who love the system.
    And you likely spend >45% of your life paying to support that system
    At a guess Jews make up less than 1% of the world population, funny thing is that they always seem to be involved in about 99% of world problems!

    Or is that simply because they are so prominent in things like media, music, theatre, movies, politics, law, weapons, banking, medicine, education, ETC ETC ETC!

    Maybe it's just my imagination but sometimes it seems that Akzle does have a point!

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