Godzone falling in the international education ratings

[MisterD]

Really? You're gonna blame the left or the right? They've fucked it up between themselves over the years. Education is a business now, not something that should be given every resource it requires. I mean why bother teaching anyone anything.

waaaaaaaa waaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaa... that has next to fuck all to do with it. Thing is though, excellence and success is what's taught at school, albeit a bit too PC at times. On those grounds, there's more to it than petty envy's.

Oh fuck off is it. Success isn't celebrated and failure isn't mentioned. If we were to be truthful we'd re-name the whole shebang the Indoctrination System, it's designed to turn out unthinking, compliant, PAYE ballot box fodder.

Once upon a time it was used to try to suppress the Maori language, now the wheel has turned and it's used to glorify anything that's *not* Anglo-Saxon in origin. The last thing that our take-it-in-turns political "elite" want is actual freethinkers trained to use their intelligence to the maximum.

[mashman]

Oh fuck off is it. Success isn't celebrated and failure isn't mentioned. If we were to be truthful we'd re-name the whole shebang the Indoctrination System, it's designed to turn out unthinking, compliant, PAYE ballot box fodder.

Once upon a time it was used to try to suppress the Maori language, now the wheel has turned and it's used to glorify anything that's *not* Anglo-Saxon in origin. The last thing that our take-it-in-turns political "elite" want is actual freethinkers trained to use their intelligence to the maximum.

You don't have to tell a kid that they've failed. They know. They know when they've succeeded too. They talk about these things in terms that they learn from us... and we still celebrate our victory's and learning experiences, , don't we? Other than that, pretty much agree with the rest of yer post. The "elite" are on a hidin' to nothin'. They're gonna have to face the music one day in the future... maybe.

[mashman]

Yep, and now everyone does it.

Good. Fiscally responsible people not taking on any debt.

[Zedder]

Oh fuck off is it. Success isn't celebrated and failure isn't mentioned. If we were to be truthful we'd re-name the whole shebang the Indoctrination System, it's designed to turn out unthinking, compliant, PAYE ballot box fodder.

Once upon a time it was used to try to suppress the Maori language, now the wheel has turned and it's used to glorify anything that's *not* Anglo-Saxon in origin. The last thing that our take-it-in-turns political "elite" want is actual freethinkers trained to use their intelligence to the maximum.

Free thinkers is mentioned in the third paragraph:http://schools.natlib.govt.nz/blogs/...cience-project

[carbonhed]

Funny how the teachers aren't lining up to take the "credit" for this result... when we do well you have to beat them off with a stick

[oldrider]

Funny how the teachers aren't lining up to take the "credit" for this result... when we do well you have to beat them off with a stick

Excellent observation!

[scissorhands]

The jobless job market is hardly inspiring. Social media has taken attention away from academia.

NZ like the US is in a state of decay.... new tigers are on the upswing, like Africa, Brazil and many small countries.

The dollar is doing well

[Bean]

Maybe good academic results from an education system, are merely by-products of effective societies. Unfortunately for NZ, the opposite might also be true?

[Ocean1]

You don't have to tell a kid that they've failed. They know. They know when they've succeeded too. They talk about these things in terms that they learn from us...

You do have to tell a kid he's failed. You have to tell them when they succeed. And you have to be honest in both cases. We've not been honest with them since I were a nipper, it'd hurt their feelings. Apparently.

As for NZ's education system results, they'll improve when the choices made during your school years and your success in achieving them produce appropriate consequences in your working years. And not until.

[mashman]

You do have to tell a kid he's failed. You have to tell them when they succeed. And you have to be honest in both cases. We've not been honest with them since I were a nipper, it'd hurt their feelings. Apparently.

As for NZ's education system results, they'll improve when the choices made during your school years and your success in achieving them produce appropriate consequences in your working years. And not until.

True, but they do see it and learn it from other kids too. Tell your kids to say hi to Santa for me.

Quite possibly. It's a shame we can't send them to school when they're "ready" or pull them out when they're really not into it whilst giving them something to do. Some may never go. I have no problem with this if it results in better workers.

[BoristheBiter]

True, but they do see it and learn it from other kids too. Tell your kids to say hi to Santa for me.

Quite possibly. It's a shame we can't send them to school when they're "ready" or pull them out when they're really not into it whilst giving them something to do. Some may never go. I have no problem with this if it results in better workers.

I still blame the teachers.

we had good ones that taught you because they were passionate about it, to others it was just a job and they didn't care as they got paid either way.

[Ocean1]

True, but they do see it and learn it from other kids too.

What they see is that there's no point in putting in any effort because there's no real difference, the more you earn the more someone takes off you, so you might as well not bother.

Quite possibly. It's a shame we can't send them to school when they're "ready" or pull them out when they're really not into it whilst giving them something to do. Some may never go. I have no problem with this if it results in better workers.

Yeah, why not, someone else will always pay for your time off school, just like they pay for your time off work.

[Ocean1]

I still blame the teachers.

we had good ones that taught you because they were passionate about it, to others it was just a job and they didn't care as they got paid either way.

There's a quantifiable difference in performance across cultures in NZ. Same teachers. Same syllabus.

There's a quantifiable difference in performance between generations in NZ. Same measuring stick.

Common variables? Parents who have actually lived with the natural consequences of any lack of individual performance, at school and at work. It's a life-changing experience. Our children need that lesson more than any other.

[mashman]

I still blame the teachers.

we had good ones that taught you because they were passionate about it, to others it was just a job and they didn't care as they got paid either way.

Maybe they're disenchanted given the political tug of war they've witnessed over the years? What do you do after 10 - 15 years in one profession? that doesn't involve taking a salary hit?

What they see is that there's no point in putting in any effort because there's no real difference, the more you earn the more someone takes off you, so you might as well not bother.

Yeah, why not, someone else will always pay for your time off school, just like they pay for your time off work.

Then that's our fault. I'd go for, there's no space for them at the economy. They're gonna have to wait for a job or make an opportunity. And what about, not all kids want to be schooled. Tough shit? Suck it up youngun? Best thing about it, is that there's always room at the bottom and they do their own thing, not to dissimilar to the escapades at the other end of the societal spectrum really.

It's a case of. Would it be better for kids if they went to school when they were ready? Right? If the answer is no, then you need a better reason than, oh it costs too much money. NOW caters for these things without any detrimental affect on society or the economy for that matter. Wonder if the students would be better and potentially kids in general. Ideally a parent should "home-school" during that time, which'll mean that they'll need to be paid if they're a single parent. Money in the way again. Tsk, you get what you are willing to pay for?

[mashman]

Common variables? Parents who have actually lived with the natural consequences of any lack of individual performance, at school and at work. It's a life-changing experience. Our children need that lesson more than any other.

Meh. If they won't listen and won't perform... then what?