Agree with you there. We only employ tradesman and not all are created equal.Originally Posted by Banditbandit
Just because they passed doesn't mean they are any good.
troglodytam extraordinaire
Agree with you there. We only employ tradesman and not all are created equal.
Just because they passed doesn't mean they are any good.
The instructions are simple...
The perennial problem...
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
troglodytam extraordinaire
He evidently wants someone that can climb trees. One question rules out all the ones that can't .
Can't see a problem with that.
As we are discussing only humans that post is irrelevant.
Bogeyman
Yes.
We tend to call people with a dysfunctional view of education idiots.
You might have noticed that the word “education” features heavily in my discussion. You can go right ahead and assume that’s because education is the topic I’m talking about. You could if tell I was talking about “training” because I’d be using the word “training” instead.
Got some numbers to back that wee gem up, dude?
Like how many of the country’s top earners dropped out of kindy, that sort of thing?
Balderdash. If schools and universities fail to teach their students it’s because both teachers and students fail to recognise the purpose of their daily visits to classrooms across the country.
A top student is one that’s been taught how to learn, and can prove that by demonstrating that he’s learned the material presented as the various subjects of the curriculum.
Your contention that it’s all too complicated and that the parents, taxpayers and government don’t understand is the real root of the problem. If you listened to your clients for just a minute you’d have long, long since recognised that what they expect of you is that you teach their kids to the syllabus. Not some fuzzy in-house notion of how well they are getting on considering their demographic, ethnicity, sex, the value of their ride and the number and species of parents they happen to have.
It’s really really simple: Teach the kids an understanding of, say arithmetic. Test the kids to see how well it stuck. Use the results to improve the kids learning and focus your delivery. Include the parents in that exercise. Rinse and repeat.
Yeah. I’m waiting for that research about the overwhelmingly overrepresented millionaire dropouts.
In the meantime: Bollox, the only profession that doesn’t have to deal with the stresses and performance requirements of achieving regular targets throughout their professional lives is yours. That’s part of the “education” deal, see: Teach them that achievement is important.
You’re failing, and you don’t even admit that your primary task is in fact to increase knowledge let alone look to see if you’re actually achieving that.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
The bird can fly.
"Everybody is a genius. But, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it’ll spend its whole life believing that it is stupid." – Albert Einstein.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Aio ki te Aorangi
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Moped rider
I think there is a bit of a misguided veiw here, we have to deal with all this shit and jump through hoops to demonstrate this, it's part and parcel of the package we deal with. The problem is not the professionalism of the teaching staff it's the lack of value placed on education in society. All you people out there who think they can do a better job - here's a challenge for you, go to university for three years (minimum) get and undergraduate degree, do a year at teachers' college (again a minimum) do two years supervised teaching to become fully registered and show us you can do a better job. Otheriwse my advice to you is do your part - don't allow your 13 year old kids to go out each weekend and blow their still developing brains on a mixture of whatever drugs they take, don't place the blame for their behaviour on us and most of all support the fact that in today's society you need to be educated (or lucky) to get anywhere
The instructions are simple...
Since we ARE discussing humans, who all have different abilities, the intent of the cartoon is patently obvious to even a cretin.
So - what does that make you?
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
troglodytam extraordinaire
No shit Sherlock. some days you even impress me with your observation skills.
Bogeyman
Have a pointy hat.
Go sit over there and stop annoying the adults.
Idiot.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
To be fair you're only conscious some days.
Sorry. Your definition of idiot does not fit. Keep your pointy hat, as you must be used to wearing it with distinction by now. I see very few adults in here. A few petulant adolescents whole believe that they made it to adulthood maybe, but not adults.
troglodytam extraordinaire
And you never are, whats your point?
troglodytam extraordinaire
All humans have the same ability's, some might be better than others but still then same.
yes the the intent of the cartoon is obvious just not to the discussion at hand, only a cretin would think otherwise.
Bogeyman
I sort of agree with most of that. And I've no doubt that most of the hoops you have to negotiate either aren't doing what they were designed to do or are otherwise based on faulty premises. Indeed the whole industry has been a policy football for a long time, which doesn't confer a great deal of confidence in the resulting guidelines and controls.
Also... if a common denominator amongst a group of failing professionals is the qualifications that enabled them to gain entry to that profession then the qualifications themselves are suspect. There's a problem that keeps behavioural anthropologists awake at nights. They find surgeons, for example ignoring evidence that certain procedures are sub-optimal because their contemporaries continually reinforce the concept that it's a good idea. Police ignore best practice investigatory methods because their professional culture doesn't agree with them.
I have no idea what dodgy dogma pervades academia, no idea at all. But to say a profession as a group knows best simply isn't very astute, particularly when what independent data there is demonstrated that perhaps that's not the case. Every profession can benefit from external expertise, especially one so distant from it's market.
I don't see too much blaming of teachers going on, in spite of the general bleating going on about the lack of results. And I can't find too much evidence that parents now are too much different in what they want for their kids from previous generations. What is different is the lack of any advantage higher education and professional qualifications give. In short, what's the point of working that hard? Really?
When you've fixed that you'll see success return to education, and, as a result; to the economy.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Bogeyman
You know when your teacher told you that you should try harder?
He was right, your lack of comprehension demonstrates that you didn't listen to him either.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
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