NZSBK 2014 dates

[Mental Trousers]

That's this thread fucked.

That's this thread fucked.

Your incisive eloquence and brevity is commendable Drew

It's just starting to get interesting.

Drew's right, the thread is fucked now. The IQ necessary to participate in this line of conversation is well above the KB average.

[RobGassit]

Jesus I hope I don't get stuck behind these two while on the way to the Nats.

[steveyb]

As long as women get there on merit ( same for ethnicity ) and not by imposed quota such as espoused by those Labour party morons. And The National party are not free of criticism given how theyve assisted a minority ethnic grouping in wielding a disproportionate amount of power, on the pretext of some dodgy never ending treaty settlements. Now youve made me both angry and sentimental. Angry about that butch bitch named Helen and sentimental about Maggie!!!

Maggie would have sorted out appropriate road race dates and also told people to get back to work.

Aye there's the rub.
Of course any person would arrive at an appropriate position to suit their ambitions and skills, IF prejudice against them did not exist. These prejudices exist in all of us to some degree or another, but the issue is when the prejudices become institutionalised over long periods due to pressures of a religious, peer, company, creed, gender etc nature. It is these prejudices that have lead to the marginalisation of whole cohorts of peoples in all different societies throughout time.
In our own society we see prejudice towards those with skin other than white and language other than English, those without penises (or is that penii?), towards those who ride Suzukis (although that is totally fair enough in my book), towards those in wheelchairs and on it goes.
An individual may tell themselves that they do not hold to these prejudices, or at least would not let them manifest in any way, but others are true enough to themselves to wear such prejudice on their sleeves.
Why else would it be that women hold so few top level positions in NZ business?
Why would it be that Maori are over represented in crime and incarceration statistics?
Why would it be that new (non-white) immigrants tend to ghettoise themselves?
Why would it be that Suzuki riders are required to resist those funny looks and sniggers?

In large part many of the reasons for this are the results of long term, deep seated prejudice from one sector of a society towards another. There is no research or evidence that suggests that women cannot perform as effectively as men in business management, but they are often excluded from the opportunity. There is no evidence that suggests that brown skinned people are best utilised in manual, low skilled, poorly paid employ than anyone else, except that society tells them in a myriad of ways, that that is where the society wants them and so that is where they should go.

The effects of these prejudices are incremental and insidious and the routes to change are also incremental and need to be insidious (if you are one that holds prejudice) in order to effect change.

However, the current Anglo-saxon capitalist establishment holds strongly to the laws, writ and unwrit, that suggest an economy and par infra, a society (although of course they are not the same thing) needs to have the enormous disparity between those that have and those that have not, those that fit and those that do not, those that look the same as the majority and those that do not. A more supportive and distributive society can still operate on capitalist philosophy, individuals can still become wealthy, it is demonstrated in other countries, but only if concerted effort is made and only when personal guards are broken down and individuals decide that others really are worthy and not simply to be ignored or worse, derided.

However, I wonder how well those other countries (one from whence our favourite springing stuff comes springs to mind. you see what I did there?) would manage if they had the same inhomogeneity of society that we do. With changes in Europe that are occurring (just as they did millennia ago), I think this harmony in their society will come under significant challenge in the coming years.

I'd better get on with writing my conference paper, it is much less taxing than this.....

[codgyoleracer]

Aye there's the rub.
Of course any person would arrive at an appropriate position to suit their ambitions and skills, IF prejudice against them did not exist. These prejudices exist in all of us to some degree or another, but the issue is when the prejudices become institutionalised over long periods due to pressures of a religious, peer, company, creed, gender etc nature. It is these prejudices that have lead to the marginalisation of whole cohorts of peoples in all different societies throughout time.
In our own society we see prejudice towards those with skin other than white and language other than English, those without penises (or is that penii?), towards those who ride Suzukis (although that is totally fair enough in my book), towards those in wheelchairs and on it goes.
An individual may tell themselves that they do not hold to these prejudices, or at least would not let them manifest in any way, but others are true enough to themselves to wear such prejudice on their sleeves.
Why else would it be that women hold so few top level positions in NZ business?
Why would it be that Maori are over represented in crime and incarceration statistics?
Why would it be that new (non-white) immigrants tend to ghettoise themselves?
Why would it be that Suzuki riders are required to resist those funny looks and sniggers?

In large part many of the reasons for this are the results of long term, deep seated prejudice from one sector of a society towards another. There is no research or evidence that suggests that women cannot perform as effectively as men in business management, but they are often excluded from the opportunity. There is no evidence that suggests that brown skinned people are best utilised in manual, low skilled, poorly paid employ than anyone else, except that society tells them in a myriad of ways, that that is where the society wants them and so that is where they should go.

The effects of these prejudices are incremental and insidious and the routes to change are also incremental and need to be insidious (if you are one that holds prejudice) in order to effect change.

However, the current Anglo-saxon capitalist establishment holds strongly to the laws, writ and unwrit, that suggest an economy and par infra, a society (although of course they are not the same thing) needs to have the enormous disparity between those that have and those that have not, those that fit and those that do not, those that look the same as the majority and those that do not. A more supportive and distributive society can still operate on capitalist philosophy, individuals can still become wealthy, it is demonstrated in other countries, but only if concerted effort is made and only when personal guards are broken down and individuals decide that others really are worthy and not simply to be ignored or worse, derided.

However, I wonder how well those other countries (one from whence our favourite springing stuff comes springs to mind. you see what I did there?) would manage if they had the same inhomogeneity of society that we do. With changes in Europe that are occurring (just as they did millennia ago), I think this harmony in their society will come under significant challenge in the coming years.

I'd better get on with writing my conference paper, it is much less taxing than this.....

Now your just showing off............

[wharfy]

Now your just showing off............

Yeah but he is right on the money...

All of that helps feed the idea that it is OK for men to abuse women -

• How else do young men in NZ get to think it is OK to get young girls drunk and rape them ?
• How else do radio dicks/jocks whatever get to think defending those guy's is OK ?
• How else does a society accept it is OK for (on average) 14 women a year to be killed by their partner or ex-partner ?
• How else does a society think it is OK for the Gov. to give $millions to already wealthy Hollywood firms while women's refuge has to beg on the streets ?

Once again as the hippies say "if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem.."

http://whiteribbon.org.nz/

[nodrog:Me]

how come this thread hasn't made it to PD yet?

[Deano]

how come this thread hasn't made it to PD yet?

It's gone over the mods head. And a distinct lack of personal abuse ! Come on peeps, lift your game.

[nodrog:Me]

It's gone over the mods head. And a distinct lack of personal abuse ! Come on peeps, lift your game.

We have gone from racing Motorcycles, to bashing and raping drunk chicks. Fuck the nationals are going to be awesome this year!

[nodrog:Me]

Do we have to supply our own women to bash, or are they included in the MNZ licence fee increase?

[wharfy]

We have gone from racing Motorcycles, to bashing and raping drunk chicks. Fuck the nationals are going to be awesome this year!

Thats exactly the sort of comment that shows that you just DON'T GET IT Rape jokes are not OK, taking the piss out of assaulting women is NOT OK - You are part of the problem.

[RobGassit]

Ffs!.................

[Robert Taylor]

Aye there's the rub.
Of course any person would arrive at an appropriate position to suit their ambitions and skills, IF prejudice against them did not exist. These prejudices exist in all of us to some degree or another, but the issue is when the prejudices become institutionalised over long periods due to pressures of a religious, peer, company, creed, gender etc nature. It is these prejudices that have lead to the marginalisation of whole cohorts of peoples in all different societies throughout time.
In our own society we see prejudice towards those with skin other than white and language other than English, those without penises (or is that penii?), towards those who ride Suzukis (although that is totally fair enough in my book), towards those in wheelchairs and on it goes.
An individual may tell themselves that they do not hold to these prejudices, or at least would not let them manifest in any way, but others are true enough to themselves to wear such prejudice on their sleeves.
Why else would it be that women hold so few top level positions in NZ business?
Why would it be that Maori are over represented in crime and incarceration statistics?
Why would it be that new (non-white) immigrants tend to ghettoise themselves?
Why would it be that Suzuki riders are required to resist those funny looks and sniggers?

In large part many of the reasons for this are the results of long term, deep seated prejudice from one sector of a society towards another. There is no research or evidence that suggests that women cannot perform as effectively as men in business management, but they are often excluded from the opportunity. There is no evidence that suggests that brown skinned people are best utilised in manual, low skilled, poorly paid employ than anyone else, except that society tells them in a myriad of ways, that that is where the society wants them and so that is where they should go.

The effects of these prejudices are incremental and insidious and the routes to change are also incremental and need to be insidious (if you are one that holds prejudice) in order to effect change.

However, the current Anglo-saxon capitalist establishment holds strongly to the laws, writ and unwrit, that suggest an economy and par infra, a society (although of course they are not the same thing) needs to have the enormous disparity between those that have and those that have not, those that fit and those that do not, those that look the same as the majority and those that do not. A more supportive and distributive society can still operate on capitalist philosophy, individuals can still become wealthy, it is demonstrated in other countries, but only if concerted effort is made and only when personal guards are broken down and individuals decide that others really are worthy and not simply to be ignored or worse, derided.

However, I wonder how well those other countries (one from whence our favourite springing stuff comes springs to mind. you see what I did there?) would manage if they had the same inhomogeneity of society that we do. With changes in Europe that are occurring (just as they did millennia ago), I think this harmony in their society will come under significant challenge in the coming years.

I'd better get on with writing my conference paper, it is much less taxing than this.....

As a WASP ( white anglo saxon protestant ) of male gender and tory preferences I will sum it up in one sentence for you.

Helen Clark single handedly wrecked the chances of women for many years to come as many of us never want a close rerun of her ever again.



It is debatable that given she shaves twice a day that she is in fact a she....

But its not women ( or Billys ridiculous 4 day meeting ) that we have to fear most. Its this whole essentially racist Maori soverignty thing and all the fatcat lawyers feeding off it. Im ashamed to say that the National party should have stuck firmly to Don Brash's decree of getting rid of all racist based seats in parliament

[roogazza]

Now your just showing off............

I hope they don't find out I was a Viking in a past life.

[RobGassit]

As a WASP ( white anglo saxon protestant ) of male gender and tory preferences I will sum it up in one sentence for you.

Helen Clark single handedly wrecked the chances of women for many years to come as many of us never want a close rerun of her ever again.



It is debatable that given she shaves twice a day that she is in fact a she....

But its not women ( or Billys ridiculous 4 day meeting ) that we have to fear most. Its this whole essentially racist Maori soverignty thing and all the fatcat lawyers feeding off it. Im ashamed to say that the National party should have stuck firmly to Don Brash's decree of getting rid of all racist based seats in parliament

Clever how you worked Billy and the thread topic into that.

[Billy]

Clever how you worked Billy and the thread topic into that.

Not that clever though Rob,He hasn't yet worked out that his selfserving opinion doesn't come into the equation when we are organising the sport.