NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[CHOPPA]

Its guilty until proven innocent im afraid

[scrivy]

mmmmmmm, the owner of the bike would have to be a very very stupid man to make it illegal and give it too someone with such huge talent and watch and not expect to be protested, and I am sure the owner is not stupid, as the owner must have agreed to having his bike Dyno'd. Mass produced units can be different, get any Manufacturers bike and dyno a few of them, the numbers will all be different.

Having this motor in question inspected by a PRFFESSIONAL MOTOR BUILDER who can do all the measurements technically correct is the only way forward in my opinion, just like how it used to be done with Cam shafts etc.

will be very interesting to see the final report on all this.

Ummmm..... Have I mis-read or missed sumpin somewhere?
Were there other tests of the same type of bikes done on the same dyno?? I know from my own experience with dynos that they all give totally different results!!

[Grumph]

STATEMENT - At 8.30 on Sunday 19th Jan 2014 MNZ officially announced the expulsion of the accused rider from points gained at Rd 2 NZSBK 2014. I would like everyone to know that we have NOT yet received an reasoning as to why tech was failed and no mention of the fact there is an appeal procedure. Seems like the trial has taken place without the accused being present or privy to the prosecution evidence. If this is the normal procedure in such matters it needs a serious overhaul/revision. It is OUTRAGEOUS behaviour from our governing body.

I agree...but it seems normal now...

Don't give up hope - and keep racing under appeal. One situation I can quote - Some time back now but still a precedent - was when we (including me as a machine examiner) found a ported RGV. Immediate disqualification. On appeal, reinstated as Suzuki NZ stated unequivocably that it would have made no difference to the performance...despite any port mods being absolutely illegal.....

Best thing you can do is keep kawasaki NZ in the loop - especially if as far as you know there's nothing illegal in the motor....

[Shaun Harris]

Ummmm..... Have I mis-read or missed sumpin somewhere?
Were there other tests of the same type of bikes done on the same dyno?? I know from my own experience with dynos that they all give totally different results!!

Same dyno, same day, same operator. I will leave it that for now Scrivy.

[Shaun Harris]

Its guilty until proven innocent im afraid

sure is, and now I see a post on face book a world wide media outlet Naming the rider without the full appeal process being completed, absolutely fuckin bullshit.

I am hanging out to see the Dyno figures of both bikes released to the public, and do not give a rats arse if one of them had been tinkered with, the DYNO figures will show who had the fastest motor technically- and that comment is NOT say either were cheating, just the fact that one put out a tad more than the other on the Dyno.

[jellywrestler]

sure is, and now I see a post on face book a world wide media outlet Naming the rider without the full appeal process being completed, absolutely fuckin bullshit.

unfortunately that was a neccesary step as world wide attention was being drawn on other competitors not involved so people were jumping to conclusions, .

[Shaun Harris]

unfortunately that was a neccesary step as world wide attention was being drawn on other competitors not involved so people were jumping to conclusions, .

Mate, can you show me links to where this was happening as you say on the world wide scene? I have not seen it on any web sites world wide?

Yes Im a firey GINGA, but will always stand up and fight for people if I think the process is wrong.

I have been told certain things by certain people that have my trust at this stage, hence my actions with this.

[scrivy]

Same dyno, same day, same operator. I will leave it that for now Scrivy.

No worries. Just didn't read anywhere that other competitors were subjected to the same dyno at the same time to get a control/base line.

[Shaun Harris]

Hi Team, copy email sent to the Road Racing commisioner.

I am writing this with reference to the current case of ---------------------------

I am hopeing you will see my logic in this out of the best interests for the sport and any young up and coming rider now and in the future.

Where are rider such as ------ is excluded from a meeting for explisitlly a machine that does not comply with the regulations, I believe the TEAM OWNER should be excluded from the MNZ society for a minumim period of 12 months!

HOW TO CONTROL THIS

As a person under the legal age of 16 cannot sign a legal contract, any rider under the age of 18 must be entered on there own MNZ licence number as well as a MNZ Licenced TEAM OWNER MEMBER!

The point to this is try and stop the ( Lets say rule stretchings) that goes on with the good will of dads and sponsors.

My wording may be messy, but I am sure this can be re worded to fit the bill of my opinion.

WHY

----- and many many other young riders DO NOT TUNE/MAINTANE nor own the bikes they are racing and fall victims to so called good will sponsors. They totally trust and respect there team owner sponsor.



PENALTY FOR Team owner MNZ ENTRANT

The team entrant get the full minimum penalty of 12 months.

Taking into consideration the above facts re age and who does what in a team, I feel that too disclude the rider from the event is more than enough punishment to a young rider for machine inellagable faults.
Dangerous poor actions by a rider does deserve a more harsher penalty though!


Best Regards
Shaun Harris
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Have a Fantastic day

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ahhh production Racing! I'm getting misty eyed just thinking about it.

What used to happen was the offending bike would dissappear before the end of the meeting ! lol.

Lol. I reckon. A certain RGV250 didn't do the last points race at Manfeild in 1991.

STATEMENT - At 8.30 on Sunday 19th Jan 2014 MNZ officially announced the expulsion of the accused rider from points gained at Rd 2 NZSBK 2014. I would like everyone to know that we have NOT yet received an reasoning as to why tech was failed and no mention of the fact there is an appeal procedure. Seems like the trial has taken place without the accused being present or privy to the prosecution evidence. If this is the normal procedure in such matters it needs a serious overhaul/revision. It is OUTRAGEOUS behaviour from our governing body.

MNZ take it fair and square in the ass. Billy is the only decent chap I know that's been involved with them. I'm sure there are others...I've just not met them. So glad VMX does it's own thing.

[Billy]

STATEMENT - At 8.30 on Sunday 19th Jan 2014 MNZ officially announced the expulsion of the accused rider from points gained at Rd 2 NZSBK 2014. I would like everyone to know that we have NOT yet received an reasoning as to why tech was failed and no mention of the fact there is an appeal procedure. Seems like the trial has taken place without the accused being present or privy to the prosecution evidence. If this is the normal procedure in such matters it needs a serious overhaul/revision. It is OUTRAGEOUS behaviour from our governing body.

What a load of old rubbish Merv,

I informed you by telephone on the 16th January at 5.30pm that your machine had failed the inspection and I informed you at the same time the information I had received from those doing the inspection.....AND I called you back at around 10pm on the same night to inform you there would be no further contact with you by either the steward or myself as you are not the competitor,I also informed you in the second call that Baillie would be notified by email on the following day care of his father as he is still a minor,This took place at around 12pm on the 17th Jan and the hard copy was couriered the same afternoon,That email was opened on Saturday morning at around 8.30 am I believe,Well over 24 hours before the release was made naming the competitor in question,Despite you informing me at 11.43am on Saturday the 18th Jan that nobody had received notification,You retracted that when I informed you at 1pm on the same day that the office manager at MNZ had confirmed the email had been sent and opened.

In short,The statement was made due to not only Luke Burgess and Jake Lewis being approached by their sponsors in Europe,America and Australia,But also Phil London from WIL Sport who is sponsoring the trackdays Superstock 1000 and 600 machines in Europe for 2014 as well as 2 entrants in the EJC and has alot of time and money invested in promoting New Zealand motorcycle racers to the world,The last thing he needed was Jake being implicated,As you had confirmed too me via electronic communication that the confirmation of exclusion had been received,We were well within our rights to make the appropriate statement,Of course you know me well enough to know I have that communication on file.

[Billy]

Same dyno, same day, same operator. I will leave it that for now Scrivy.

More absolute rubbish,

Same dyno,Same operator....Different week and with Luke Burgess trying to find more horsepower after fitting a borrowed engine for round 2 and the other machine owner trying a last ditch effort at stopping his machine from being stripped and inspected after having his machine at home and 15 hours after the cam cover ONLY was sealed on a fuel injected bike.....Work it out for yourself,Its not rocket science

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dear oh dear...

[Pumba]

This is getting good.

[merv]

OK so what was done to this bike and how much horsepower was gained?