MotoGP 2014

[Crasherfromwayback]

Time you poofs had a group hug me thinks.

We're having one tonight Bro.

Depends on how vain one is I guess. He's got a factory seat that he wanted so badly (not the best factory option, but still) and they now have a lead hand that may actually get a bike working (Dall'Igna) and Cal is most likely going to be a key part of the team evaluating different parts and concepts. Might actually feel like he has some input into things, instead of just endlessly fiddling with setup and never testing anything new as he would with the satellite Yamaha.

.........................plus he's probably getting somewhere between 5x and 10x the salary................

He may well have a factory ride ride as such...but if it's in *open* spec...then that'd be a bit sucky. Sure the money would be waaaaaaay better...but open spec Duc? Still...it may be not much worse than the factory bike.

[Drew]

.but open spec Duc? Still...it may be not much worse than the factory bike.

Can those fucken shit boxes ever compete without an advantage of displacement?

Give the two factory riders the arse, and run as an open is the only way that bike is getting anywhere near the pointy end of any grid.

Take away Mr Stoner and his ability to will the pile of shit round a corner, and the company shouldn't be allowed to fucken enter MotoGP given the past three years results!

Fuck, they could drop GP and actually develop their current road bike to try and get it competitive in Superbike. At least that way they aren't gonna run dead fucen last in BOTH classes.

I hate Ducati. You can prolly tell. I can't help but wonder if that has something to do with my lack of sympathy for Stoner.

[codgyoleracer]

0800 brokenhearted

LOL, VR may still win a few yet, but the dream of taking outright all-time win total off AGO is not looking good at all.........

[300weatherby]

LOL, VR may still win a few yet, but the dream of taking outright all-time win total off AGO is not looking good at all.........

Taking bets that Rossi does not win again, Ago is safe methinks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

LOL, VR may still win a few yet, but the dream of taking outright all-time win total off AGO is not looking good at all.........

He's such a canny geezer! I'm thinking Assen could be his only win for 2014.

[DidJit]

Good reading...

[roogazza]

Good reading...

Thanks for posting that up DidJit. Bit messy again this year with classes within a class. Maybe it'll be sorted for 2015.

[Badjelly]

Maybe it'll be sorted for 2115.

Fixed that for you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The Diary of Mr & Mrs Caseyfromwayback...

Pete's Diary:
Tonight,I thought Casey was acting weird.We made plans to meet at a nice restaurant for dinner.
Conversation wasn't flowing,so I suggested we go somewhere quiet so we could talk.
He agreed,but didn't say much.I asked him what was wrong;He said "nothing".I asked "if it was my fault that he was upset"?
He said he wasn't upset'that it had nothing to do with me,and not to worry about it.

On the way home I told him that I love him.He smiled slightly and kept driving.
I can't explain his behaviour,I don't know why he didn't say I love you to.
When we got home I felt that I had lost him completely,as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore.
He just sat there quietly and watched TV.He continued to seem distant and absent,finally with silence all around us,I went to bed.
About 15 minutes later,he came to bed.But I still felt he was distracted,and his thoughts were somewhere else.

He fell asleep-I cried.I don't know what to do.I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else.
My life is a disaster.


Casey's Diary:
Motorcycle won't handle...can't figure out why,and Pete wont shut the fuck up.

Something like this right?

[Mental Trousers]

.but open spec Duc? Still...it may be not much worse than the factory bike.

Can those fucken shit boxes ever compete without an advantage of displacement?

Give the two factory riders the arse, and run as an open is the only way that bike is getting anywhere near the pointy end of any grid.

Take away Mr Stoner and his ability to will the pile of shit round a corner, and the company shouldn't be allowed to fucken enter MotoGP given the past three years results!

Fuck, they could drop GP and actually develop their current road bike to try and get it competitive in Superbike. At least that way they aren't gonna run dead fucen last in BOTH classes.

I hate Ducati. You can prolly tell. I can't help but wonder if that has something to do with my lack of sympathy for Stoner.

Going Open class doesn't give the Ducatis any advantage in the engine/fuel area. About the only thing it would help with is the softer tyre that's available for the Open class. A softer front could help with the front end problems they've had on that thing since forever, but it won't cure it. However, a softer tyre on the back end could make their front truly horrible/dangerous.

As for concentrating on one class it's not a bad idea. I'm certain that Gigi Dal'Ignia can sort out all of Ducati's racing woes, but trying to sort MotoGP and WSBK at the same time he could be spreading himself too thin. However, the Ducatis are right at the front in most domestic competitions (along with Kawasakis and BMWs) that use the EVO style rules so it's quite likely he won't have to do much there.

Does this dislike for Ducati come from lots of crashing that bent pile of shit you raced??

EDIT Actually there is an engine advantage in Ducati going Open class - there's an engine development freeze on the factory bikes but not the Open class. That could end up being a huge advantage.

[Crasherfromwayback]

EDIT Actually there is an engine advantage in Ducati going Open class - there's an engine development freeze on the factory bikes but not the Open class. That could end up being a huge advantage.

Correct. More engines and fuel yeah?

[tail_end_charlie]

Going Open class doesn't give the Ducatis any advantage in the engine/fuel area.

It does give them an extra 4 litres of fuel to play with, at the downside of using spec ECU and software. The prevailing opinion seems to be that the Ducati electronics are the least advanced of the factories, so maybe that won't hurt them all that much.

About the only thing it would help with is the softer tyre that's available for the Open class. A softer front could help with the front end problems they've had on that thing since forever, but it won't cure it. However, a softer tyre on the back end could make their front truly horrible/dangerous.

Open class will have the same choice in the front tire as the Factory bikes (soft and hard) where as on the rear the have the choice between extra-soft and soft. The factory bikes have a choice between soft and hard on the rear. So everyone will still only have two fronts and two rears to choose from, the Open boys just getting a step down on softness with the rear.

Somewhere (can't remember where now) I read a comment from Hayden saying that he would really like to try the extra-soft rear that the CRT's were running (this was obviously last season when he was still with Ducati). His reasoning was that the Ducati almost always ran with the soft rear option, but was still have trouble with the rear pumping and spinning up, the CRT extra-soft rear may give them the extra grip to keep from spinning up. I would hazard a guess that their spinning problems are partly due to a shorter swingarm than the Honda and Yamaha along with a harsher power delivery (not as advanced TC system).

As for concentrating on one class it's not a bad idea. I'm certain that Gigi Dal'Ignia can sort out all of Ducati's racing woes, but trying to sort MotoGP and WSBK at the same time he could be spreading himself too thin. However, the Ducatis are right at the front in most domestic competitions (along with Kawasakis and BMWs) that use the EVO style rules so it's quite likely he won't have to do much there.

Does this dislike for Ducati come from lots of crashing that bent pile of shit you raced??

EDIT Actually there is an engine advantage in Ducati going Open class - there's an engine development freeze on the factory bikes but not the Open class. That could end up being a huge advantage.

I would suspect that this last bit would be the biggest advantage to Ducati. They will be able to expiriment throughout the season trying to smooth out power delivery (through internal engine work) as well as fiddling with engine placement in the frame (which would probably require new cases) and having an allowance of 12 engines would mean that they try something new every other race......

IMHO the only downside to going Open would be the outsiders preception, as well as having to admit publicly they are struggling and need help. This may actually be a really good thing for Dal'Ignia to force them to do, swallow some of their pride and work their asses off in a cooperative way to get themselves competative. Use 2014 as a testing year and come up with some solutions, step back up to Factory status in 2015 and compete evenly again with Yamaha and Honda. The first thing they have to do is admit that there is a problem with the bike, going Open class would do that.......

[Mental Trousers]

Correct. More engines and fuel yeah?

It does give them an extra 4 litres of fuel to play with, at the downside of using spec ECU and software. The prevailing opinion seems to be that the Ducati electronics are the least advanced of the factories, so maybe that won't hurt them all that much.

Thing is their engine already runs extremely well on 21 litres so the extra fuel is useless for power, but it can help make up for the less advanced electronics by making the mixture rich on the overrun to help with engine braking and things like that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thing is their engine already runs extremely well on 21 litres so the extra fuel is useless for power, but it can help make up for the less advanced electronics by making the mixture rich on the overrun to help with engine braking and things like that.

Yeah but that's not to say they couldn't make even more power with more fuel.

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah but that's not to say they couldn't make even more power with more fuel.

They won't get more power at existing engine speeds as those engines squeeze the absolute maximum out of air/fuel as they are. More power requires more air which means more revs.