Anyone Darksided their cruiser?

[willytheekid]

Now you sound like Edbear.

...you take that back!!

...what would Jebus think? (wanna buy a battery?)

[Pedrostt500]

Go on put on a Dunlop Triple Traction, you could whip one off an old Land Rover.

[ruaphu]

No disrespect intended but if you don't like the answer maybe think of the lunacy of the question, granted Katman may have the social graces of a wounded ferret, but don't let the medium cloud your view of the message.

Putting a tyre not specified for your, or any, motorcycle on your rim is asking to end up a statistic.

Just sayin

Sweet as GTRMAN.


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[ruaphu]

Back in the day a bloke who lived in our flat bought a 'chopper' from down south. Him and another guy jumped on the train one night and the plan was to ride it back... They arrived back around midnight sunday - poor old pre unit trumpy sounded like it had an anvil fornicating with a cheesegrater inside the crankcases, it was leaking oil so much frequent stops to purchase more were required and the lights had given up a day or so back... plus it was raining, they had an interesting trip, breaking down often, sleeping in hedges etc, certainly a tale to tell the grandkids... Anyway - in the cold light of day I gave this thing a once over...

Gawd.... Home made and heath robinson would habve made this pile look good. 12" over front end with no added rake in a standard Triumph rigid frame. 17" front wheel from a Triumph 3TA and a matching 17" rear made from a vintage car rim with a slice taken out and the diameter reduced. The rear should have been 16" but they didnt quite cut enough out and the lacing was... peculiar.... God knows how they did it and still made the wheel mostly round. Of course back then there were no 17" bike tyres so it had an ancient crossply levered into place. Dodgy does not even begin to describe this bike....

I must admit curiosity got the better of me and I did ride it once around the block - it was awfull BUT that hat bugger all to do with the rear tyre. You wouldnt dare lean it over...

A few weeks later despite several warnings from me one of the rods escaped out through the cases and flew across the road (it actually went quite a long way)..

Moral of the tale - car tyres will make your engine explode - you have been warned...

Hehehehe nice one Paul.


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[ruaphu]

Go on put on a Dunlop Triple Traction, you could whip one off an old Land Rover.

Lol


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[ruaphu]

...Your not the only one mate


Here's some food for thought capt safety!

It IS perfectly legal to do this (So WOF & Insurance are actually covered...or the work mate wouldn't have got paid out when he was smidsy'd last year)
Its a proven practice globally that has its proven merrits, but naturally, the practice does! require some homework into what tyres suit, what the effects are, and if this practice suits the type of bike and riding style etc (Obviously you don't do this on a R1! and obviously you don't just chuck any car tyre on and pray it works!)

But most actually do this because Bike tyres are NOT perfect in the crusier world...lets look at why ALOT of people around the world do this.

..honda gold wing!...lets use that common heavy crusier as an example.

Goldwing weight- Aprox 800lbs (with out rider an passenger)
The RECOMMENDED motorcycle tyre has a max load weight of....992 lbs!
-now add a rider...passenger....gear!.....see the problem with the $600-$800 "recommended" tyre??
...just jump on any goldwing or heavy cruiser forum...look up 'TYRE BLOW OUT"...there's multitudes of posts proving that the factory tyre just is not up the job, and is actually more dangerous than the option of darksiding!(If done properly!)
Hence, due to obscenely heavy crusiers chewing through rediculasly expensive "factory" tyres (As mentioned in the OPs posts) and multitudes of blow-outs occuring for "sticking to the factory recommendations"...darksiding was born as an option for these heavy cruiser riders.

...But I totally agree that it CAN be dangerous(And understand your reluctance to issue WOF's or fit them...thats personal choice and high eithical standards!)...but!, with the correct amount of reasearch into what tyre will suit your bike and do the job as safely as possible, you can reduce the risk of trying darksiding, and even possibly reduce the chances of a blow out or tyre failure, reduce the cost of replacing expensive factory rubber, and all with minimal risk to the rider under normal road use.

...if its safe, proven to work, save's you money and you accept the risk in doing this sort of "mod"...why not investigate the validity of doing so? (which is what this thread is all about...seeking information and opinions...not angry Coffee deficient attitudes from those within the industry**)

**The very same people that used to tell riders that if you use ANYTHING!! other than factory parts or DARE to modify your bike...you are "risking your personal safety...blah blah blah!!"...REALLY??...or is it just a great way to ensure sales of expensive "factory recommended parts"?

...If you do a search online, you can see the HUGE argument over this practice between the industry etc & the riders actually doing it!...but the fact remains, its a practice that has been going on for many many years!...and yet, there are not many stats available in regards to accidents or deaths resulting from darksiding...and that says alot! in a world that loves shoving stats down people throats! - if there was a problem with the practice of darksiding...the authorities would ensure those stats where there to back up there "safety" argument...and yet, thousands of riders around the world are doing this on a daily basis...so again...safety issue?...or is it also a lost profit issue within the industry?

As always KM, respect ya personal & professional opinion ...but end of the day its just YOUR opinion on the subject, that has no statistical backing or personal experiance to back it up...Im all for exploring & researching new possible options and hearing the opinions of others.


Ride safe mate

Yep what he said. Chur chur B


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[gwynfryn]

Don't darkside your Toyota Camry.

I only got 500km from a set(4) of pilot powers before they flattened off and it was really expensive!

Dropped into corners mean though.

[AllanB]

I remember buying American chopper magazines in my youth and they were spooning car tyres on the rear of them way back in the day. Long raked front end, No front brake. Car tyre on the rear .........

The ironic thing about this thread is that I often see a lot of bikes wearing bald motorcycle tyres (even through the rubber to the cords!)

[Crasherfromwayback]

And quite frankly, as a WOF inspector, I have sent a request to NZTA that they investigate this practice and that they make a ruling on the validity of it.

It will be interesting to see if they can be fucked giving a response.

We knocked an Ultra back for a wof few weeks ago as it had a car tyre on the rear. I don't give shit what others may say...it's fucking dangerous.

[Mo NZ]

I fit a 195x55 zero pressure run-flat.
Cant seem to find any markings as to what vehicle it is recommended for ???.
As long as is rated for speed of the vehicle I cant really see any lawful justification to refuse a wof, as long as its in good condition and passes the minimum tread depth.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I fit a 195x55 zero pressure run-flat.
Cant seem to find any markings as to what vehicle it is recommended for ???.
As long as is rated for speed of the vehicle I cant really see any lawful justification to refuse a wof, as long as its in good condition and passes the minimum tread depth.

Well I haven't ridden your bike with that tyre on it mate...but I certainly rode the Ultra we knocked back. And no sane man would issue a wof to the bike I rode. End of fucking story.

[Mo NZ]

Well I haven't ridden your bike with that tyre on it mate...but I certainly rode the Ultra we knocked back. And no sane man would issue a wof to the bike I rode. End of fucking story.

If it was a non run flat I agree. I would fail it too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If it was a non run flat I agree. I would fail it too.

Lol. You certainly would've if you'd ridden it! As soon as you went over any sort of camber...the thing would try and tip over! And as a mechanic in a former life with a fair bit of riding experience...NO WAY would I let someone loose on that.

[Pedrostt500]

So ya woldn't WOF it with a fork lift tyre, one of the solid ones, my vote is still for the Dunlop Triple traction, pref stolen from an old Land Rover.

[jonbuoy]

...Your not the only one mate


Here's some food for thought capt safety!

It IS perfectly legal to do this (So WOF & Insurance are actually covered...or the work mate wouldn't have got paid out when he was smidsy'd last year)
Its a proven practice globally that has its proven merrits, but naturally, the practice does! require some homework into what tyres suit, what the effects are, and if this practice suits the type of bike and riding style etc (Obviously you don't do this on a R1! and obviously you don't just chuck any car tyre on and pray it works!)

But most actually do this because Bike tyres are NOT perfect in the crusier world...lets look at why ALOT of people around the world do this.

..honda gold wing!...lets use that common heavy crusier as an example.

Goldwing weight- Aprox 800lbs (with out rider an passenger)
The RECOMMENDED motorcycle tyre has a max load weight of....992 lbs!
-now add a rider...passenger....gear!.....see the problem with the $600-$800 "recommended" tyre??
...just jump on any goldwing or heavy cruiser forum...look up 'TYRE BLOW OUT"...there's multitudes of posts proving that the factory tyre just is not up the job, and is actually more dangerous than the option of darksiding!(If done properly!)
Hence, due to obscenely heavy crusiers chewing through rediculasly expensive "factory" tyres (As mentioned in the OPs posts) and multitudes of blow-outs occuring for "sticking to the factory recommendations"...darksiding was born as an option for these heavy cruiser riders.

...But I totally agree that it CAN be dangerous(And understand your reluctance to issue WOF's or fit them...thats personal choice and high eithical standards!)...but!, with the correct amount of reasearch into what tyre will suit your bike and do the job as safely as possible, you can reduce the risk of trying darksiding, and even possibly reduce the chances of a blow out or tyre failure, reduce the cost of replacing expensive factory rubber, and all with minimal risk to the rider under normal road use.

...if its safe, proven to work, save's you money and you accept the risk in doing this sort of "mod"...why not investigate the validity of doing so? (which is what this thread is all about...seeking information and opinions...not angry Coffee deficient attitudes from those within the industry**)

**The very same people that used to tell riders that if you use ANYTHING!! other than factory parts or DARE to modify your bike...you are "risking your personal safety...blah blah blah!!"...REALLY??...or is it just a great way to ensure sales of expensive "factory recommended parts"?

...If you do a search online, you can see the HUGE argument over this practice between the industry etc & the riders actually doing it!...but the fact remains, its a practice that has been going on for many many years!...and yet, there are not many stats available in regards to accidents or deaths resulting from darksiding...and that says alot! in a world that loves shoving stats down people throats! - if there was a problem with the practice of darksiding...the authorities would ensure those stats where there to back up there "safety" argument...and yet, thousands of riders around the world are doing this on a daily basis...so again...safety issue?...or is it also a lost profit issue within the industry?

As always KM, respect ya personal & professional opinion ...but end of the day its just YOUR opinion on the subject, that has no statistical backing or personal experiance to back it up...Im all for exploring & researching new possible options and hearing the opinions of others.


Ride safe mate

Bridgestone make a tyre specifically for Goldwings:-

http://www.canadasmotorcycle.ca/brid...rear-tire.html