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    Electric bikes head to head against petrol power on the Isle of Man

    I reckon this signals the beginning of a very interesting time for bike racing.

    The 2014 Southern 100 (road race on Isle of Man) will see an electric bike running head-to-head against internal combustion in the standard competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Asphalt & Rubber
    The ACU (governing body of motorcycle races in the United Kingdom, Channel Islands, and Isle of Man) along with the Southern 100 Club (the organization behind the Southern 100 road race on the Isle of Man) have seen it fit to allow electric motorcycles to compete alongside petrol-powered machines at this year’s Southern 100 road race.
    - http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/raci...-southern-100/
    - http://darvillracing.co.uk/

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    I haven't been this excited about electric tech since the Saudi's replaced their child camel jockeys with robots.

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    Lol. This will end well. Are they bringing 80cc two strokes back to compete against them?
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    Neat! Bets on how long it'll be before the curmudgeonly blokes are all making excuses why the electrics are so quick but gas is still better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Neat! Bets on how long it'll be before the curmudgeonly blokes are all making excuses why the electrics are so quick but gas is still better?
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    If a vehicle isn't capable of producing consistent energy output across its projected range, then it is an irritating deviation of resources from actual progress. Battery technology is not the way of the future. Electric motive force is vastly better than an IC but batteries52 are not the way forward. There is no electric engined battery powered vehicle that I can use to commute the 76km (152km round trip) to work with a 12 hour tunraround, door to door, at an average speed of 60km/hr.
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    not mention the upfront cost of batteries that have a decent output
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    There is no electric engined battery powered vehicle that I can use to commute the 76km (152km round trip) to work with a 12 hour tunraround, door to door, at an average speed of 60km/hr.
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    160hp horsepower, 120 lbs•ft of torque across the rev range, and 17 kWh battery pack, which Mission says is good for a 200 mile range (140 mile real world) and a 150 mph top speed. With two on-board chargers (Level-2 J1772 and a standard 120v plug), Mission says it can pump up to 9 KW into the Mission RS, which should be good for close to a two-hour recharge time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    If a vehicle isn't capable of producing consistent energy output across its projected range, then it is an irritating deviation of resources from actual progress. Battery technology is not the way of the future. Electric motive force is vastly better than an IC but batteries52 are not the way forward. There is no electric engined battery powered vehicle that I can use to commute the 76km (152km round trip) to work with a 12 hour tunraround, door to door, at an average speed of 60km/hr.

    I donīt think anyone can say battery technology isnīt the way forward - current technology say a Nissan leaf has a 24 kWh battery pack - the Petrol equivalent Nissan note has 270 kWh of energy in its fuel tank. I think its possible to one day make a 270 kWh battery pack that weighs the same as a 10 gallon fuel tank and could be swapped or dumped with charge within a few minutes. Maybe not with current battery technology, back in the 1900īs the first electric cars had only 2 kWh battery packs - maybe it will take another 100 years to do it but there is no evidence to say it cant be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyrobot View Post
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    Watch them cringe and back out of the deal when I show them the Rimutakas and typical commuter traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbuoy View Post
    I donīt think anyone can say battery technology isnīt the way forward - current technology say a Nissan leaf has a 24 kWh battery pack - the Petrol equivalent Nissan note has 270 kWh of energy in its fuel tank. I think its possible to one day make a 270 kWh battery pack that weighs the same as a 10 gallon fuel tank and could be swapped or dumped with charge within a few minutes. Maybe not with current battery technology, back in the 1900īs the first electric cars had only 2 kWh battery packs - maybe it will take another 100 years to do it but there is no evidence to say it cant be done.
    Battery technology is horribly expensive and built on the back of 6 year olds digging rare earth elements out of clay with a teaspoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Battery technology is horribly expensive and built on the back of 6 year olds digging rare earth elements out of clay with a teaspoon.
    Ethically speaking so is pretty much every single electronic device.
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    Which doesn't invalidate my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Which doesn't invalidate my point.
    Is that the only thing you have against battery power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbuoy View Post
    Ethically speaking so is pretty much every single electronic device.
    I agree, but I also don't think we want to get into scrutinising the ethical or social impact of any of our energy sources too much. If ethics was an issue I suspect there'd be relatively little oil available for the western world right now.

    I think your moving against the flow of human nature James, for the exact reason that it can't yet be done, people will continue to push against and through those boundaries for electrical locomotion. What if the roads were paved in a semi conductive substance and some form of wireless energy transmission was possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Watch them cringe and back out of the deal when I show them the Rimutakas and typical commuter traffic.
    Hehe, the curmudgeonly excuses didn't take long at all

    The Tesla S has a range of around 500km by the way, pretty sure that'll be enough for a 150km commute over the rimutakas and back.
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