Too many new cars?

[SMOKEU]

my car is old. But it gets between 9-11 lt/100km. For the extra 4$ in petrol/tank compared to a new model, i get pedals that are connected to the engine/box/actual brakes, no computer to double think, doors made out of plate steel, no airbags or abs 'safety features' basically fuck all that cant be fixed with a hammer.
And it does that all day, whether loaded and towing (it tows like a motherfucker) or laying phat skidz up the gravel, or just rolling down the highway. I did, and continue, to pay fuckall for it.

Bullshit. My car cost fuck all, upkeep has been minimal (especially if you factor in that out has been driven on chch roads since the earthquakes), is more reliable than most new cars and it's a 21 year old jap import. Yes the magical badge does make a difference, Toyotas built before the mid ninetys are near bulletproof if looked after (and often even if they are not looked after they still last forever) new cars are designed to be replaced when the warranty runs out.

I really doubt 2014 models will be as common in 30 years as 1984 models are today.

You got lucky then. From personal experience and that of my mates who keep buying old wrecks, you can easily spend the entire value of the vehicle in repairs and still end up with an unreliable POS. My GSXR doesn't go for more than 1,000km without something else fucking out, but I don't rely on it for daily transport so time spent off the roads isn't too much of an inconvenience.

[Mushu]

You got lucky then. From personal experience and that of my mates who keep buying old wrecks, you can easily spend the entire value of the vehicle in repairs and still end up with an unreliable POS. My GSXR doesn't go for more than 1,000km without something else fucking out, but I don't rely on it for daily transport so time spent off the roads isn't too much of an inconvenience.

There's tricks to buying older cars, like don't buy anything obviously modified, don't buy cars that may have been owned by a boy racer, where possible buy Toyota. You can also get hints as to the service history by talking to the previous owner and having experience of that particular model helps too.

[Oblivion]

Its also rather funny. Most cars nowadays are designed to get written off after they are in a minor wreck. Although in terms of structural rigidity car chassis are at their strongest, its actually a tempering on the top that makes it strong. If you are in a minor wreck, and something gets bent, you can't just get out a welder and reinforce it, Since it'll destroy the tempering. Hence why a small ding gets written off so easily. Go over a bump in an old car? Cut out the old section, weld one straight back in.

Hell, Just to get an engine out of a newer car is a good few hours work. A few old cars I've seen can have their engines dropped in at least 2 hours.

But making cars like this increases the demand for newer cars. If you write one off, get another one and so on. Effectively 2 cars down. The only problem is, how are you gonna afford a new car on 13.75 p/h? Not to mention pay for insurance.

[Edbear]

I've just done something I never thought I'd do, and that's buy another older Jap import, and a Mitsubishi at that!

However I was very impressed with both the dealer and the car itself. It's an '05 Mitsi Colt Plus, bought for Mrs. Bear to give her a practical four-door with room for the grandkids' car seats. The MX5 just doesn't cut it in these requirements. We got it at a bargain and it is genuinely mint. We hope it will be reliable and I haven't heard anything bad about this model. Naturally the Kizashi has been utterly reliable as a new car should.

But then, having a good knowledge of vehicles and a lot of experience, you can minimize the risk a lot. No car is perfect, though, so there will always be some risk.

[Tazz]

You got lucky then. From personal experience and that of my mates who keep buying old wrecks, you can easily spend the entire value of the vehicle in repairs and still end up with an unreliable POS. My GSXR doesn't go for more than 1,000km without something else fucking out, but I don't rely on it for daily transport so time spent off the roads isn't too much of an inconvenience.

Agreed. Lost count of how many POS old cars me and my mates have been through. I just can't understand why they just fall to pieces.

Here's a Kodak moment of me heading to the hairdressers to get my party at the back under control.



And of me heading to Orana Park to volunteer feeding the wildlife.


And this is the missus just moving the Commodore onto the street so I can move the Cotrina to get the Torana out past the boat.



Unreliable pieces of crap, all of em.

It's not like we don't service them either.

Here's a quick snap of me cleaning the underside while checking all the wheel bearings and the like. Was getting some funny tyre wear but the camber looked alright to my eye.

[Akzle]

...who keep buying old wrecks,...

well, theres your problem.

[Akzle]

(tazz) i cant bling you again. Lulz.

[Mushu]

Its also rather funny. Most cars nowadays are designed to get written off after they are in a minor wreck. Although in terms of structural rigidity car chassis are at their strongest, its actually a tempering on the top that makes it strong. If you are in a minor wreck, and something gets bent, you can't just get out a welder and reinforce it, Since it'll destroy the tempering. Hence why a small ding gets written off so easily. Go over a bump in an old car? Cut out the old section, weld one straight back in.

Hell, Just to get an engine out of a newer car is a good few hours work. A few old cars I've seen can have their engines dropped in at least 2 hours.

But making cars like this increases the demand for newer cars. If you write one off, get another one and so on. Effectively 2 cars down. The only problem is, how are you gonna afford a new car on 13.75 p/h? Not to mention pay for insurance.

You're a bit misinformed, there's no tempering or hardening. New cars are designed to crush easily in an impact, this absorbs the energy of the impact so less is transferred to the passengers. It's a double edged sword, while it does make them far easier to write off it also means that the passengers can survive much more serious accidents. I remember back when I worked as a mechanic for Honda that an S2000 will likely break your nose and collar bone in anything over a 30kmh crash but at 100kmh the exact same injuries are likely and they are actually caused by the supplemental restraint system (airbag and seatbelt pretensioners).

[Yamahardman]

i have a 1983 holden gemini, and for a small car, its built like a tank, and is surprisingly economical.

[VinceLewis]

Fake. Combination of photoshop and the lots full of old cars waiting to be crushed under a UK govt scheme to buy old cars just to get them off the road (newer fleet = fewer injuries, emissions etc).

WHEN I READ THIS IT MADE MY BLOOD BOIL. THE WEBPAGE IN QUESTION IS NOT A FAKE. I spent a full week researching the information before creating the webpage. If you took time to read the article you would see that I said THE IMAGES ARE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED this also implies that there is no misrepresentation of the facts...as you falsely suggest. Perhaps the article was just too fantastic for your conception of what is really going on in this world.

ALL of the photos show cars that have been over produced. Your unresearched statement that they are cars waiting to be crushed are your own unfounded musings and nothing more. The photos of the cars are from around the world not just the UK so how did you derive at the statement that they are all from a UK government scheme? Did you not notice too that in the closer images the cars are all brand new?

Condemnation without investigation is the uttermost height of ignorance.

I registered here just to put the record straight in this forum, as I followed a link from my website advancedstats that showed this post. Indeed everytime a forum links a website in a forum the webmaster of that site can be notified about it...and I was. I will not be posting on this forum or indeed visiting it again, your replies will go unanswered.

Regards Vince Lewis www.vincelewis.net

[SPman]

new cars are designed to be replaced when the warranty runs out.

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Hmmmm .... 5 yr warranty....should have covered 200,000km then (like the last one), so, probably time to flick it off to someone else.......

[Akzle]

butthurt level 9000 achieved!

KB hero status pending.

Check out ghost ships, too.
Sum thang wrong witg the 'conomoney

[pete376403]

looks verifiable. google earth shows similar images such as the Upper Heyford USAF Station, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX25, United Kingdom

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Upp...d+Kingdom&z=16
(dont know how to determine the date of the image, though)

(I only picked this one becuase this website had better details of where they are

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02...und-the-world/

[St_Gabriel]

WHEN I READ THIS IT MADE MY BLOOD BOIL. THE WEBPAGE IN QUESTION IS NOT A FAKE.
I said THE IMAGES ARE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED this also implies that there is no misrepresentation of the facts...

There you go folks, straight from the horses mouth. It must be true as he said it was.

[testastretta]

WHEN I READ THIS IT MADE MY BLOOD BOIL. THE WEBPAGE IN QUESTION IS NOT A FAKE. I spent a full week researching the information before creating the webpage. If you took time to read the article you would see that I said THE IMAGES ARE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED this also implies that there is no misrepresentation of the facts...as you falsely suggest. Perhaps the article was just too fantastic for your conception of what is really going on in this world.

ALL of the photos show cars that have been over produced. Your unresearched statement that they are cars waiting to be crushed are your own unfounded musings and nothing more. The photos of the cars are from around the world not just the UK so how did you derive at the statement that they are all from a UK government scheme? Did you not notice too that in the closer images the cars are all brand new?

Condemnation without investigation is the uttermost height of ignorance.

I registered here just to put the record straight in this forum, as I followed a link from my website advancedstats that showed this post. Indeed everytime a forum links a website in a forum the webmaster of that site can be notified about it...and I was. I will not be posting on this forum or indeed visiting it again, your replies will go unanswered.

Regards Vince Lewis www.vincelewis.net

The photo of the Nissan test track is from 2009. When the world was in the grip of the GFC. A search of the same location on google maps shows a completely clear test track. It is quite common for vehicles to be stored in large quantities awaiting shipping to countries like NZ that manufacture no cars.

Perhaps I should buy your conspiracy theory book to gain a better understanding.