NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[quallman1234]

There is a word for that, blueprinting.
It is done in many other classes/forms of motorsport.

I am on neither side of this.

[Shaun Harris]

There is a word for that, blueprinting.
It is done in many other classes/forms of motorsport.

I am on neither side of this.

Exactually man, and Blueprinting is NOT as per OEM build spec.





One of the people involved in this decision, is the same person who deemed it fit for riders and passengers doing parade laps at Paeroa with out helmets, no logic in either of these cases

[Mental Trousers]

There's nothing wrong with blueprinting. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a truck load of pistons/conrods/etc and going through them until you find the 4 that are light and match weights.

EDIT Sorry for a 250 twin that would be 2 pistons etc

[Shaun Harris]

There's nothing wrong with blueprinting.

ACCEPT IT IS CHEATING as it is no longer as per OEM

It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a truck load of pistons/conrods/etc and going through them until you find the 4 that are light and match weights.

EDIT Sorry for a 250 twin that would be 2 pistons etc

Fixed it for you

EDIT I fixed your fix - Shane

[Mental Trousers]

ACCEPT IT IS CHEATING as it is no longer as per OEM

That's the thing about the manufacturer specifying tolerances etc, they're saying if your piston (for example) is between x and y that's fine because the manufacturer supplies them within those dimensions. As long as you use the OEM supplied piston and stay within the dimensions specified it's not cheating.

Appendix I.2

Only OEM engine parts for the homologated model may be fitted - In the case of overboring, only oversizes listed as genuine options in the manufacturers partsbook for the homologated model may be used. only gaskets of the standard thickness may be used

[Hitcher]

ACCEPT IT IS CHEATING

Except it is cheating.

[JayRacer37]

Great for Ballie but not for the sport. I get it, it means when a motor is ruled to be run as per OEM, it actually means as long as it fits the messurement criteria, and re moving metel to achieve this is ok. WOW good work MNZ reps, just set a presedent for the future in a negative way

There is a word for that, blueprinting.
It is done in many other classes/forms of motorsport.

I am on neither side of this.

Damn, you beat me to it. Within tolerance is OEM, end of.

One of the people involved in this decision, is the same person who deemed it fit for riders and passengers doing parade laps at Paeroa with out helmets, no logic in either of these cases

Logic in both. What's the issue with a helmetless parade lap? Didn't see anybody screaming about it at Wanganui in the wet on slicks for most people, while some time was filled???

[Shaun Harris]

That's the thing about the manufacturer specifying tolerances etc, they're saying if your piston (for example) is between x and y that's fine because the manufacturer supplies them within those dimensions. As long as you use the OEM supplied piston and stay within the dimensions specified it's not cheating.

Appendix I.2

Thanks for the fix and re your above comment, OEM means as per supplied by the manufacturer, NOT METAL removed ( Blueprinting) to get it too stretch the tollerances Shane. The process of removing metal to obtain the big numbers from compression or what ever are cheating mate fact!

Take your time and read years of rule books as I have mate, that is another thing that is wrong with Road Racing in New Zealand, the rule book needs writing in a way that it is impossible to miss interpret or bend the wording to suit personell agenda;s, as in this case. Bailie is good enough without a screwed with bike.

[Shaun Harris]

Damn, you beat me to it. Within tolerance is OEM, end of.

Original Equipment Manufacturer, means the people that originally made it! so if it came in under compression tolerance numbers, there is NO sub clause that states you can remove metal to obtain these numbers, Rememberthe keys words in our rule book " Anything not mentioned must remain as per"



Logic in both. What's the issue with a helmetless parade lap? Didn't see anybody screaming about it at Wanganui in the wet on slicks for most people, while some time was filled???

The road race meetings are run under local law, ie must need a motorcycle licence, ( And if there is an incident involving injury the police will be involved) show me a road rule where it is legal to ride a motorbike on the roads without a helmet?

[JayRacer37]

The road race meetings are run under local law, ie must need a motorcycle licence, ( And if there is an incident involving injury the police will be involved) show me a road rule where it is legal to ride a motorbike on the roads without a helmet?

Soo....for years (and years and years) helmetless parade laps have been done at Wanganui, all without incident. This is something I am sure you have been involved in in the past, either yourself or your riders.

Do it once at Paeroa (as a thankyou to riders and spectators alike that had had the meeting cut short) and you and others have a problem with it. What's up with that!?

Further to the above, show me a road rule where you can do 200kph in a 50 zone? Or a road rule where it is mandatory to wear full leathers and a back protector? Or a road rule where you can ride a bike on slicks without headlights...etc etc

[jasonu]

Thanks for that joke. Today was going a bit slow

Yeah it was a joke mostly. If another competitor protests another on tech grounds and is found to be wrong AFAIK that competitor has to pay an amount of pingas to the one he protested. Isn't this situation the same or at least very similar?

[nodrog:Me]

The road race meetings are run under local law, ie must need a motorcycle licence...

I thought that was only Paeroa as it is a State Highway? I don't think I have ever given, or been asked for Licence details for Wanganui.

.... show me a road rule where it is legal to ride a motorbike on the roads without a helmet?

What about the one where I am one of those Towel heads that can only wear a tea towel on my head cos the sacred cow said so. They don't have to wear a Helmet.

[merv]

Surely Shaun when there is a formal road closure the road rules don't apply and its like you are on private land. Otherwise similar to what Jay said using your logic the speed limit would be 50km/hr on the street circuits

[Shaun Harris]

Soo....for years (and years and years) helmetless parade laps have been done at Wanganui, all without incident. This is something I am sure you have been involved in in the past, either yourself or your riders.

Do it once at Paeroa (as a thankyou to riders and spectators alike that had had the meeting cut short) and you and others have a problem with it. What's up with that!?

Further to the above, show me a road rule where you can do 200kph in a 50 zone? Or a road rule where it is mandatory to wear full leathers and a back protector? Or a road rule where you can ride a bike on slicks without headlights...etc etc

Jay, I am sure if you were thinking in depth first, you would understand what this all about. Check out the facts re the law and involvement in injury related incidents mate.

Also re OEM, check this out

"NOTE:
All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced
by the manufacturer, remain fitted and operational for that homologated model.
The parts and service manuals for the homologated models will be used as reference to
confirm standard specifications.
1. Twin and single cylinder four stroke engines from 200cc up to 250cc
standard engines.
2. Only OEM engine parts for the homologated model may be fitted - In the
case of overboring, only oversizes listed as genuine options in the
manufacturers partsbook for the homologated model may be used. only
gaskets of the standard thickness may be used.


So if you read the rule book correct and thouroughly and not so it suits just your own interpreation of it, NO METAL CAN BE REMOVED. even must use standard gasket dimensions. Tolerances are only givin to provide a base line for.

Who the hell is running this circus dude, even I can use google well enough to clarify engrish

[Shaun Harris]

Surely Shaun when there is a formal road closure the road rules don't apply and its like you are on private land. Otherwise similar to what Jay said using your logic the speed limit would be 50km/hr on the street circuits

Check the LAW Dude. Silly as it may be, the LAW is the LAW. and even a good smack on the head at 50KM/hr can do serious lasting damage, and we do not need the ACC nor the PC police jumping on us any more than they already do.