The experts speak yet again

[buggerit]

What you have said worked for me once when I saw a bit of wood lying on the road too late but the bit of wood was much smaller than a dog and some do dart out on the road real quick.

yeah, you do get some fucking fast bits of wood sometimes just come out of nowhere they do

[RDJ]

By general consensus we are a country of crap drivers, If that is the case why would we be great riders. The statistics, whether this is a blip or not, tend to suggest we ride about as well as we drive.
Just sayin

On the other hand - having lived and worked in quite a few countries where there are really crap drivers to be seen, we could still get worse... much worse!

[James Deuce]

What planet do you live on? as when hitting an animal on the road the fault always lies with the negligent
owner if they can be found. Even in the case of farm animals.

No it doesn't. The last accident I had was a sheep launching itself at me head high from grass on the side of the road that was high enough to hide it. I'd just ridden through a mob of untended sheep on the road and was trundling down the road at all of 70 km/hr keeping a weather eye out. All I can remember is seeing the sheep at head height and waking up face down unable to see or breathe properly. I had 10 broken ribs, a ruptured eardrum, a lacerated liver, a fucked ankle, slightly fractured skull and deep stab wounds in my knees and elbow from shattered "armour" in my leathers. My carbon fibre helmet was split in two. I got a helicopter ride, 3 months off work and a lifetime of pain and other side effects and the farmer responsible obviously attended the accident and left me to rot on the side of the road because the animal's ear had been removed. No tag to be found and an MVA doesn't tend to perfectly remove an animal's ear and leave no trace of blood or a perfectly straight line. I was the third injury accident from wandering stock on Route 52 that week. Some people stopped to help but the hillbillies couldn't work a cellphone so I had to ring for my own help. The cop was livid, but not one of the bastards would own up and there was no proof as to who the animal belonged to.

I got a lecture about watching for wandering stock from the cop, ACC, workmates, doctors, nurses, consultants, farming family members - every arsehole who had an opnion. Not one of them regarded the farmer as responsible and the law sure as hell doesn't or they would have just charged every farmer who bordered the road near my accident.

In 1986 I wrote a Toyota Corolla off against the side of a 1 tonne Friesian bull that was sleeping in the middle of the road near Dargaville. The owner wasn't charged. I got an invoice for the farmer's vet bill. Thankfully the local Dargaville cop sorted that out.

I've discussed other stock related incidents with other victims. Farmers are never charged, and associated costs are usually levelled at the motorist who killed or damaged stock. THAT'S the world we live in.

[pritch]

I've discussed other stock related incidents with other victims. Farmers are never charged, and associated costs are usually levelled at the motorist who killed or damaged stock. THAT'S the world we live in.

Not so much the world James, it's the country we live in. A remnant of our pioneeering past, he laws here were framed to suit farmers and miners.

[Banditbandit]

I'd say the reason that chart shows an increase in the over 40s Riders crashing is simply down to the lack of young people taking up riding. All that leaves is us older folk, so over time the stats wil have no choice but to reflect this demographic.

No - it's not that simple

Yes, there is an aging motorcycle riding population ...

However .. the first set of age ranges given has four groups which make up a 15 to 39 years range - that is a 25 year spread - the last one - the over 40s - can be a 40 year spread or more ... (I have a friend who is 81 and still rides. that would make the 40 plus age group at least a 41 year spread)

So the last two years show that in the first 25 year age group (19-39) there were fewer deaths and in the wider age range 40 plus there were more deaths .. which you would expect in the wider age range because it's possibly sampling a bigger group ...

However, in 2010 in the first 25 year age range (15-39 ) there were 32 deaths and in the last 40 year age range there were 17 deaths ...

The stats are misleading as they are presented.

[Banditbandit]

I am pretty sure I read somewhere farmers could be prosecuted for wandering stock but if they can not be identified in the first place that would be an issue. Maybe the law has changed since 1986. No doubt another poster will confirm what the current law is about wandering stock.

Farmers are still responsible for wandering stock andf for such causing accidnets - I hit a coupe of sheep and had damage to my truck (lucky I wasn't on four wheels) the insurance company sent the bil to the farmer's insurane company.

If you have an accident with stock GET THEIR TAGS or the EAR MARKS - they prove who the stock belongs to ..

[James Deuce]

If you have an accident with stock GET THEIR TAGS or the EAR MARKS - they prove who the stock belongs to ..

If you have the opportunity.

[James Deuce]

I am pretty sure I read somewhere farmers could be prosecuted for wandering stock but if they can not be identified in the first place that would be an issue. Maybe the law has changed since 1986. No doubt another poster will confirm what the current law is about wandering stock.

The main body of text related to a 2010 accident. The law is not the issue. Farmer's attitudes to people using roads they regard as stock trails is.

[Akzle]

the current law is about wandering stock.

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[Kendoll]

What planet do you live on? as when hitting an animal on the road the fault always lies with the negligent
owner if they can be found. Even in the case of farm animals.

You didn't answer my question....
And you're wrong on this one anyway, ask James Deuce he knows all about it.

[GrayWolf]

That's my age group and I haven't been through my first childhood yet.

Amen to that, I've ridden 40yrs now, and STILL in my first childhood too

[GrayWolf]

my old man trail rode for years since before I was born, he stopped after getting back on a bike for one more ride after getting over a crash which took out his knee. It took the crash for him to realize his reaction time had slowed and to admit that he was feeling the push to keep up with the younger riders for fear he'd be alone in the middle between the main group and the new riders. getting old is a bitch, you can't ride like you used to, even if you think you can...

There's always an 'exception' to the rule... back in the late 90's/early 2000's? They hosted the World speedway down in Invergumboot. The 'Master' Ivan Mauger was down there with his old 'nemesis' from Aussie, those old timers did a few 'races' and in their 60's were only a few seconds behind the race times of the modern crop, Have a look at youtube of J Surtees riding clubman in his later years, real talent stays with you.

[Robbo]

That maybe more likely to do if you are on 4 wheels. Very unlikely you would be in a fit enough state to get tags if you are on a bike. Good to know there is now a law in place anyway even if it is not ideal for all accident victims. No doubt taking a pic would also suffice with the vehicle/bike it hit in it.

Just don't get your picture taken like this when you catch it.

[swbarnett]

There was no time to open the throttle either.

How close to the side of the road where the dog came from were you?

[yevjenko]

Maybe back in the 80s -- but now it appears that the trend has changed and its the 40+ riders that are crashing the most:

Wait a minute.... those folks that were crashing a lot in the 80's as 15-19 year olds, are 30 years older now and are in the 40+ range... maybe they were just really shit riders ?

(ducks and covers)