NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[jellywrestler]

aaaagh

after tweny plus pages of this I cant stand it any more

its ROLES

Not ROLLS

As you were Chap

BTW it's twenty not tweny

[quickbuck]

2. Only OEM engine parts for the homologated model may be fitted - In the

case of overboring, only oversizes listed as genuine options in the

manufacturers partsbook for the homologated model may be used. only

gaskets of the standard thickness may be used





silly me read it as pistons, that'll learn me for interpreting the rulz my own way!!

Silly you indeed... You forgot it is 250 Production and not Ninja 250R cup.....





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[quickbuck]

Okay, one confession I will have to make is that I have used an onboard camera for many races.... Not of late as I keep smashing them! Why? Well quite simply when I read the rules for the bike I was distracted and focused on Data Loggers. I could see the reason for not having them, then proceeded to forget about ALL recording devices..... As the error in my ways have been pointed out I will not run a camera on the bike again at an MNZ event.




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[RobGassit]

Okay, one confession I will have to make is that I have used an onboard camera for many races.... Not of late as I keep smashing them! Why? Well quite simply when I read the rules for the bike I was distracted and focused on Data Loggers. I could see the reason for not having them, then proceeded to forget about ALL recording devices..... As the error in my ways have been pointed out I will not run a camera on the bike again at an MNZ event.
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You do realise there will have to be a group kicking behind the scrutineering shed for your sins.

[Billy]

why is it the entire governance of our sport is done behind closed doors? Surely there should be public (or at least member accessible) information on the causes for the original exclusion and the subsequent notes, minutes or transcript of the hearing? This shit should be readily available for everyone to draw their own opinions (or at least understand the justification for the final decisions) but i have never once seen the details of any hearing, exclusion or meeting on racing matters, except for the AGM. The only time you see any sort of information is when the rules get updated.

There's just no facts in official form so how is anyone supposed to interpret what the fucks going on without hearing it second hand.

How anyone can come to bag Merv, Ballie, the MNZ team at the round or the appeal committee just baffles the hell out of me as for all i can see is not a single person has all the facts, minutes and details of the consideration, justifications and decisions taken...

I have every authorised action and ALL discussions with the machine owner,The steward and the person authorised by MNZ to take measuremnets and comparisons,I also have electronic conversations between myself and the machine owner that prove categorically that he has been less than truthful in regards to the way MNZ handled this from the outset and that he was less than co operative about having the machine stripped and checked,Furthermore,How or why did a machine,Asked to be delivered to the authorised dealer instructed by the MNZ steward end up at another motorcycle shop after being tampered with and parts removed AND being run on a dyno to try and prove the machine had low horsepower and therefore did not need to be checked,Surely that is reason for exclusion on its own????,Neither was the machine released from the authorised agent by the steward responsible for having it delivered there AND it wouldn't have been released by him as he had further areas he wanted looked at,In regard to Mr Swerves ramblings above,Any measurements carried out after the machine was removed are irrelevant and can not/Should not be taken into consideration either before.After or during ANY investigation as they were not overseen by ANY MNZ official or authorised agent therefore the integrity of such measurements would clearly be jeopardised,Also his statement above is misleading and an obvious reason this team have found themselves is the position they have,The statement re "Dataloggers" being used on unofficial test days is incorrect,ANY test day run under an MNZ permit,As was the case at Levels,Is bound by the rules and regulations in the M.O.M.S,But lets be clear here,Whatever happens from here on in,Is NOT about the competitor,The whole point now is to test and have rectified any shortcomings in the appeal process applied by MNZ as a number of stewards and other officials have long been dissatisfied and bewildered at some of the decisions made,End of really,Let the rider get on with the job at hand and leave him out of it,In reply to your question re the release of information in these cases,You would need to talk to the office manager at MNZ to get an infinite answer.

[SS90]

I have every authorised action and ALL discussions with the machine owner,The steward and the person authorised by MNZ to take measuremnets and comparisons,I also have electronic conversations between myself and the machine owner that prove categorically that he has been less than truthful in regards to the way MNZ handled this from the outset and that he was less than co operative about having the machine stripped and checked,Furthermore,How or why did a machine,Asked to be delivered to the authorised dealer instructed by the MNZ steward end up at another motorcycle shop after being tampered with and parts removed AND being run on a dyno to try and prove the machine had low horsepower and therefore did not need to be checked,Surely that is reason for exclusion on its own????,Neither was the machine released from the authorised agent by the steward responsible for having it delivered there AND it wouldn't have been released by him as he had further areas he wanted looked at,In regard to Mr Swerves ramblings above,Any measurements carried out after the machine was removed are irrelevant and can not/Should not be taken into consideration either before.After or during ANY investigation as they were not overseen by ANY MNZ official or authorised agent therefore the integrity of such measurements would clearly be jeopardised,Also his statement above is misleading and an obvious reason this team have found themselves is the position they have,The statement re "Dataloggers" being used on unofficial test days is incorrect,ANY test day run under an MNZ permit,As was the case at Levels,Is bound by the rules and regulations in the M.O.M.S,But lets be clear here,Whatever happens from here on in,Is NOT about the competitor,The whole point now is to test and have rectified any shortcomings in the appeal process applied by MNZ as a number of stewards and other officials have long been dissatisfied and bewildered at some of the decisions made,End of really,Let the rider get on with the job at hand and leave him out of it,In reply to your question re the release of information in these cases,You would need to talk to the office manager at MNZ to get an infinite answer.

This all makes perfect sense, rather than getting bound up in the past, it is a better plan of attack to make sure it doesn't happen again..... (it is far easier to accept if you are not competing in the class of course)

Over here in a particular control class, the first 3 bikes are dynoed immediately after the race...... You can whiffle on all you like about "oh I don't believe the dyno results", but everyone accepts the recorded power. End of story. You cheat. You are excluded. Easy.

I can't remember seeing one fail...... But I have seen cheating engines... That suggests that in this instance, the leaders don't cheat?

It seems clear to me that the young rider involved is (possibly) the biggest victim of all, which would be a real tragedy, if the guy that built he engine put his hand up now, then this youngster will never be able to shake the fact that he rode a cheater..... as it stands, there is someone casting doubt on it, and perhaps it is better left at that.

[The Chow]

This all makes perfect sense, rather than getting bound up in the past, it is a better plan of attack to make sure it doesn't happen again..... (it is far easier to accept if you are not competing in the class of course)

Over here in a particular control class, the first 3 bikes are dynoed immediately after the race...... You can whiffle on all you like about "oh I don't believe the dyno results", but everyone accepts the recorded power. End of story. You cheat. You are excluded. Easy.

I can't remember seeing one fail...... But I have seen cheating engines... That suggests that in this instance, the leaders don't cheat?

It seems clear to me that the young rider involved is (possibly) the biggest victim of all, which would be a real tragedy, if the guy that built he engine put his hand up now, then this youngster will never be able to shake the fact that he rode a cheater..... as it stands, there is someone casting doubt on it, and perhaps it is better left at that.

The rider should look ahead. now Good luck to him . As for the future regarding anything else I guess the jury is out. In my rant yesterday it wasn't just about this particular situation but previous episodes in the sport that happen , this just has just stirred things up.

[Shaun Harris]

Swerve, Post no 1 is your post!

Post no 347 is your post

You are the one that drags the rider into and back into this shit situation time and again.

to quote you from post No 347

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NZSBK Round 2 - dispute
STATEMENT.
*This has been released via my personal FB page as the team page also caters for other riders who are in no way involved in this dispute.*
This statement has been held until we received official notification from MNZ. This was received by the participant at approx. 11.00am on Sat 18/01/14.


"As stated in Rule 7.2 we have the right to appeal. And if not satisfied with the appeal have the right to take it to the NZ Sports dispute tribunal"

It may take 12 -24 months but I guarantee you it WILL be going to the sports dispute tribunal and you do not need to be a MNZ member or the team/rider involved to take this path, you have to be a person effected by the decision! Anyone that has a passion for motorcycle racing that does not agree with the decision IS effected by it.

I have already suggested what is the write thing for an adult to do in this case which I know you have read.

You bought all this to a public forum Swerve here and face book, deal with the back lash of your actions buddy.

[rastus]

You do realise there will have to be a group kicking behind the scrutineering shed for your sins.

What about all the riders that Jim Tuckerman either uses their footage or puts one of his cameras on their bikes so he can have the footage for t.v. Who gets the kicking behind the shed. Rider of MR T?

[budda]

What about all the riders that Jim Tuckerman either uses their footage or puts one of his cameras on their bikes so he can have the footage for t.v. Who gets the kicking behind the shed. Rider of MR T?

600's and Supers aren't eligible for 250 Production - although some apparently believe otherwise

[Shaun Harris]

What about all the riders that Jim Tuckerman either uses their footage or puts one of his cameras on their bikes so he can have the footage for t.v. Who gets the kicking behind the shed. Rider of MR T?

That is called MARKETING the sport in a semi proffessional way I think

[ellipsis]

Swerve's latest post had as much truth to the matter as the posts from a few who disagree and vehemently, deny his integrity...if a whole group of people are agreeing with one party and another are saying the opposite then the rules are fucked, were from the beginning and are in need of clarification, or writing correctly...a bit of obfuscating going on here, mixed with petulance and maybe an epiphany thrown in...but I'm sure ditching one group of eggs for another is just what the sport needs...not...

Why don't the Presidents of all the Road Racing Clubs organise a chat...we have the technology... and discuss the repercussions, liabilities and possibilities or improbabilities...then talk to their members and ask what they want, after all, they are the ones who prop up, put up with all this shit.

We definitely dont need JT, or his wife or Billy or Boards or has beens, or really dedicated, but with know idea, good cunts to run the show. As far as the Nationals go...that would be down to what the girls and boys who pay for the SPORT to actually be a sport, to decide.

It's not exactly a nationals where the winner can do much more than hope to retain their position next year...cool for a very small number...the sport has as much coverage nationwide as cue tv and about as many people who dont ride but give as much a fuck, as those involved in the Golden Shears...

When are people going to pull their heads out of their arseholes and realise how silly we all are, how much fun, this shit is and stop pretending "THEY" are so fucking important.

If you want to make this an us or them, or a north or south, or a we are right and you are wrong situation...cool...just tell those who want to race their 60, 50, 40, 30 or 20 year old bike with their mates, and laugh, and continue the sport, about your big fucking ideas. I'm sure that 85% of them couldn't give a fuck.

Robert Taylor, although probably at risk of dieing if he came to one of my dinner parties, and not through food poisoning, has had the best idea I have heard of, as a real class, for those who want to spend a few bucks.

These are only the thoughts and aspersions of a person who has been involved in our sport in some way, for most of his life.

You Presidents of clubs out there, get your shit together and talk to your members, (that's what secretaries are for), (and mailing lists). Shaun, I suggest you talk to these Presidents with your legitimate and well thought out proposals.

I can tell you all now, meetings will be going on and, with less angst and more proficiently, without the pressures of big brother, who is really not much more than a nagging aunty, and who usually fronts with less acumen than Arnie Schwazenegger but flexing all the muscle, well after you are all kissed goodbye...sad though, that it has to be this way...just human mixed with the added spice of 'kiwi' thrown in...Insurance liability is just insurance liability, and a competitive market...

[Shaun Harris]

Who can awnser these question's direct on here for me please


1) What is the naming write sponsors name for the current NZ Champs


2) How much did our sponsorship committee recieve for this naming write title


3) where and what was this money spent on, exact details if possible please


There is a method to my madness

[budda]

Who can awnser these question's direct on here for me please


1) What is the naming write sponsors name for the current NZ Champs


2) How much did our sponsorship committee recieve for this naming write title


3) where and what was this money spent on, exact details if possible please


There is a method to my madness

NOT taking the piss or deliberately being a dick Shaun, but I don't think anyone with current, correct info on commercially confidential issues would be stupid enough to post it on here

I sure you HAVE a plan in mind, suggest you contact either Paul S or Jim T directly, so you can get all the information you need, rather than just what you've asked for mate

[oyster]

Don't mess with ellipsis. He lives in the boonies, has had two days of gale force winds, heavy rain, flooding and no power. Yet look at him go!!!!