Election date: 20 September

[mashman]

He's all about denying yer average kiwi any income whatsoever and then giving it all back to...

Irony be thy name...

[Ocean1]

what box is there to tick to vote to send them to the sun?
Voting (consenting to be governed) is too limited in scope, as i reckon none of the people eligible is fit to do any more than be gassed to death in a giant oven. Picking the lesser of two evils? Thats fuken dumb.

You want the best of both worlds, either start your own party with an agenda sending successful participants to the sun or stfu, bleating about shit you can't be arsed helping change is symptomatic of losers the world over.

that kind of shit. I disagree with it.
Ive no doubt youve some superling ideas on shit, but all this voting and economy shit? It doesnt exist.

It certainly exists, whether you quantify the value financially or otherwise those who pay more tax are supporting those who pay less. It's not unusual for the recipients of that charity to believe otherwise, I can only put that down to a disinclination to admit they should probably be grateful for the alms or resentment for having their noses rubbed in the fact that they're performing below par.

i dont see the contradiction. I present my viewpoint, youre welcome to take it or leave it.
Im not on a crusade to 'make peoples life better' (by my definition of better, innit.)
people interested in my path will find it, and we'll get a bit better for the experience (our respective definitions of better, innit), people uninterested will continue as you, voting and thinking teh govt will make the changes, for the better (the jews definition, innit)

You're perfectly free to not give a shit about whatever society does, you're legally free to benefit from their actions, but bitching about society while taking advantage of it's provisions is not only contradictory but hypocritical.

[Brian d marge]

Said it once ,say it again ,

they will play the poverty gap and how we can lift NZ economy

meanwhile , BOTH parties will sign the TPP

Not heard one party that said , "we will not sign."

( why not sign? apart from the fact is will give large overseas entities power , try jail breaking your iphone ! etc)


Vote for the party that does the least damage

forget about the rhetoric , must pay off our debt etc , thats all smoke and mirrors

If you want to protest , not voting is worst , at least protest vote for , Kim dotcom or the green party or hueflungdung party


Stephen

[Akzle]

start your own party with an agenda sending successful participants to the sun or stfu,

how does that line up with my "whole system is fucked" and "i dont give a fuck about anyone else" thing? Kinda contrariwise methinks.

bleating about shit you can't be arsed helping change is symptomatic of losers the world over.

i bleat not.
Helping you say? Is that anything like Voting?
Or just consuming more so that more money goes round and the jews get their cut?
Youre sounding a bit like a jew yourself, dont go and ruin a good first impression...

those who pay more tax are supporting those who pay less.

this is more of that shit you believe that i disagree with.
A payment is voluntary, f'ra start.

It's not unusual for the recipients of that charity to believe otherwise, I can only put that down to a disinclination to admit they should probably be grateful for the alms or resentment for having their noses rubbed in the fact that they're performing below par.

but bitching about society while taking advantage of it's provisions is not only contradictory but hypocritical.

thats not what you said before. That just reads like your prejudice and stereotyping, value judgements.

And frankly a bit childish.
Once, horse. Once.

[swbarnett]

If you want to protest , not voting is worst , at least protest vote for , Kim dotcom or the green party or hueflungdung party

Why should I vote for a party I have no confidence in? What we really need is another option on the ballet paper - "No Confidence".

[Akzle]

If you want to protest , not voting is worst , at least protest vote for , Kim dotcom or the green party or hueflungdung party


Stephen

1) i dont consent to governance. Whoever it is.
2) lm a legal non-entity/ not a legal entity/ legally not a voter, or someshit. The abscense of my vote isnt statistically relevant.

[Brian d marge]

Why should I vote for a party I have no confidence in? What we really need is another option on the ballet paper - "No Confidence".

it takes the vote away from the top two

often you stand for election knowing you will lose as it takes votes away from the main rival and allows a second party to gain the upper hand.

In a strong , national area you would stand as a green for example , target national supporters and allow the labour candidate to have free run . sacrificing your self but letting the lesser of two evils ( labour) win

By not voting the biggest fkwit wins and everyone suffers

Stephen

[oldrider]

Why should I vote for a party I have no confidence in? What we really need is another option on the ballet paper - "No Confidence".

Even at least: "None of the above" tick box (for both voting options) would do it for me!

But what consequence will be attached to the outcome? ... The only thing the "rest" agree with is that they don't like any of the others!

[Brian d marge]

1) i dont consent to governance. Whoever it is.
2) lm a legal non-entity/ not a legal entity/ legally not a voter, or someshit. The abscense of my vote isnt statistically relevant.

ghost who walks

Stephen

Dont worry , not until the Gini hits 0.6 and the supermaket is to expensive will one have to worry

Samik sage recurve #40lb broadheads and months of training , thats my plan

[Ocean1]

hows fiji going, btw? With that undemocratic governance, (or any non-jew middle eastern nation) they had a good recession, too, innit.
O. Wait on.

Not very well. Difficult to avoid the conclusion they'd be doing better if Rambuka hadn't said "fuck you, we're doing it my way whatever you want", innit?

[Ocean1]

how does that line up with my "whole system is fucked" and "i dont give a fuck about anyone else" thing? Kinda contrariwise methinks.

That'd be a vote for stfu then.

i bleat not.
Helping you say? Is that anything like Voting?
Or just consuming more so that more money goes round and the jews get their cut?
Youre sounding a bit like a jew yourself, dont go and ruin a good first impression...

CBF checking but a bunch of shit about arseholes not doing shit you could approve of sounded tolerably similar to a bleat.

'Scuse me if not.

As for any money going around, it's good, as long as the dude who owns the money is the one circulating it. In which case it'd be fuck all of anyone else's business, eh? If not it'd be a job for 'Er majesties finest, wouldn't it?

this is more of that shit you believe that i disagree with.
A payment is voluntary, f'ra start.

In what way are those paying fuck all tax not being subsidised by those who do?

And let's in on this voluntary tax shit, how does that work, eh?

thats not what you said before. That just reads like your prejudice and stereotyping, value judgements.

I tend not to repeat myself. And yes I generalised, there are those who don't fit that general picture. The observation remains valid, if you don't think so feel free to point out the deliberate mistake.

[swbarnett]

Even at least: "None of the above" tick box (for both voting options) would do it for me!

But what consequence will be attached to the outcome?

If "No Confidence" has more than 50% of the vote then a new election would be held, preceded by more campaining, until the "No Confidence" vote fell below 50%.

This way parties would be forced to change tack, within their core principles, to fit the view of the voting public.

[bogan]

If "No Confidence" has more than 50% of the vote then a new election would be held, preceded by more campaining, until the "No Confidence" vote fell below 50%.

This way parties would be forced to change tack, within their core principles, to fit the view of the voting public.

Not a bad thought, but perhaps another option 'fuck off' would be a goer, to get rid of all the cunts who would just change tack right back once they got in power.

[swbarnett]

it takes the vote away from the top two

often you stand for election knowing you will lose as it takes votes away from the main rival and allows a second party to gain the upper hand.

In a strong , national area you would stand as a green for example , target national supporters and allow the labour candidate to have free run . sacrificing your self but letting the lesser of two evils ( labour) win

By not voting the biggest fkwit wins and everyone suffers

Stephen

I think I see what you're getting at. As long as the lesser party you voted for gets more than 5% of the vote they'll get a seat and make it harder for the major parties to form a government.

A matter of practicality over principle.

The electrate vote, however, is wasted either way.


The main thing I don't like is people that vote for a party just because their parents did or just stand at the ballot box and roll a dice.

[Akzle]

Not very well.

by whos standards?

As for any money going around, it's good, as long as the dude who owns the money is the one circulating it.

jews own money. Even if you "earn" it. Thats why theres Ts and Cs on its use. Thats why, infact it doesnt exist and you operate in a world of 'legal tender'

In what way are those paying fuck all tax not being subsidised by those who do?

ahh. The bigger picture, balancing the books story.
More horseshit, im afraid.

And let's in on this voluntary tax shit, how does that work, eh?

well its quite simple. Dont use money. Tax disappears.

I tend not to repeat myself.

pull the other one.

And yes I generalised, there are those who don't fit that general picture.