Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

[Ocean1]

If you try to refill a position declared redundant there be unbeatable dragons!

And you're not even allowed to redundify the position of "stupid unproductive idiot" and advertise for a "good keen man".














Apparently.

[swbarnett]

But the rest of society don't support them

Who the hell do you think grows the food they eat, makes the clothes they wear, takes away their trash, builds the roads they drive on, etc. etc. etc. Without any of that they would never be able to come up with the stuff they do.

[MSTRS:Me]

Who the hell do you think grows the food they eat, makes the clothes they wear, takes away their trash, builds the roads they drive on, etc. etc. etc. Without any of that they would never be able to come up with the stuff they do.

Chinese market gardeners, because few kiwis would work the hours required for such low returns
Chinese labourers in a Shanghai sweatshop, instead of towns like Levin that used to supply all of NZ's clothing requirements
ONE guy driving a specialised truck, instead of a driver and 3 crew like it used to be
Incompetent contractors who can't think for themselves, who do the same job that twice as many did in the past

Ocean1 is right...
All this "pour resources at the thick because they need the help and ignore the bright because they don't" is bullshit.
Share those resources equally, not so-called equitably. Or put more in to the bright, because they are more likely to do something with it.
There are far too many incipient commies (suck from the bright/rich to improve the thick/poor) in here for my liking.

[swbarnett]

Chinese market gardeners, because few kiwis would work the hours required for such low returns
Chinese labourers in a Shanghai sweatshop, instead of towns like Levin that used to supply all of NZ's clothing requirements
ONE guy driving a specialised truck, instead of a driver and 3 crew like it used to be
Incompetent contractors who can't think for themselves, who do the same job that twice as many did in the past

Ocean1 is right...
All this "pour resources at the thick because they need the help and ignore the bright because they don't" is bullshit.
Share those resources equally, not so-called equitably. Or put more in to the bright, because they are more likely to do something with it.
There are far too many incipient commies (suck from the bright/rich to improve the thick/poor) in here for my liking.

Don't come crying to me when 90% of the population is effectively unemployable because the school system failed to give them what they needed.

And I never said anything about ignoring the bright.

[oldrider]

Chinese market gardeners, because few kiwis would work the hours required for such low returns
Chinese labourers in a Shanghai sweatshop, instead of towns like Levin that used to supply all of NZ's clothing requirements
ONE guy driving a specialised truck, instead of a driver and 3 crew like it used to be
Incompetent contractors who can't think for themselves, who do the same job that twice as many did in the past

Ocean1 is right...
All this "pour resources at the thick because they need the help and ignore the bright because they don't" is bullshit.
Share those resources equally, not so-called equitably. Or put more in to the bright, because they are more likely to do something with it.
There are far too many incipient commies (suck from the bright/rich to improve the thick/poor) in here for my liking.

The left leaners constantly condemn the right for their lack of principles but take a look at the current left political wannabees sucking up to Dot.Com!

Have you ever seen such an unprincipled lot so desperate to garner political traction against the government that they sell their souls to the devil.

Burn the lot of them, what a mottly fucking lot they are!

[Banditbandit]

The left leaners constantly condemn the right for their lack of principles but take a look at the current left political wannabees sucking up to Dot.Com!

Have you ever seen such an unprincipled lot so desperate to garner political traction against the government that they sell their souls to the devil.

Burn the lot of them, what a mottly fucking lot they are!

Unfortunately (because I happen to be way further left than "left leaning") I to agree with you ...

The obvious left in Godzone is completely FUCKED !!!!

[Banditbandit]

Chinese market gardeners, because few kiwis would work the hours required for such low returns
Chinese labourers in a Shanghai sweatshop, instead of towns like Levin that used to supply all of NZ's clothing requirements
ONE guy driving a specialised truck, instead of a driver and 3 crew like it used to be
Incompetent contractors who can't think for themselves, who do the same job that twice as many did in the past

Ocean1 is right...
All this "pour resources at the thick because they need the help and ignore the bright because they don't" is bullshit.
Share those resources equally, not so-called equitably. Or put more in to the bright, because they are more likely to do something with it.
There are far too many incipient commies (suck from the bright/rich to improve the thick/poor) in here for my liking.

Don't come crying to me when 90% of the population is effectively unemployable because the school system failed to give them what they needed.

And I never said anything about ignoring the bright.

And don't come crying when there are not enough taxpayers to support your pension - because they have not been educated to a level where they can earn enough money to pay enough taxes to pay your pension ...

Or even enough to vote for a party that will pay your pension ...

Oh and by the way 51% of the Social Benefit vote already goes on pensions ... who's money is sucked up to carry that load???

[Ocean1]

And don't come crying when there are not enough taxpayers to support your pension - because they have not been educated to a level where they can earn enough money to pay enough taxes to pay your pension ...

We got to that position a decade ago. Maybe two.

As I said, if you choose "labourer" as your carreer, (the default for those who don't actively choose otherwise through achievement at school) then you're competing with the third world, and they've got nearly free labour for Africa.

Oh and by the way 51% of the Social Benefit vote already goes on pensions ... who's money is sucked up to carry that load???

The returns from the invested taxes collected expressly for the purpose from those same pensioners?

[mashman]

So just for the record, you now know that increasing GDP is not money laundering?

For GST to be applicable, you have to have the money come from a sub-entity of the economy, person or company; which means said sub entity must value a hammer at 1million dollars to decide to pay for it. The absurdity of that line of thinking is nobody will pay 1million dollars for a hammer that costs $2 to produce.
And even if they did, or you forced them to, that is not creating wealth, it is just taking wealth off people in the society to pay the foreign debt.

If it isn't valued using money, then yes.

Ok, so you choose to ignore how the system works when it suits. Cool, spraying and waling awaying.

[mashman]

What a bunch a fuckin children. Wahhhh wahhhhh that shiny grain of sand in mine. It's hardly surprising we're circling the drain. There's more than enough for everyone, we can share. If you can't share, then you should be executed! because you are then a drain on the rest of the population.

[bogan]

If it isn't valued using money, then yes.

Ok, so you choose to ignore how the system works when it suits. Cool, spraying and waling awaying.

By definition GDP is valued using a currency, what else do you think they would use?

I've been asking for a while now how your million dollar hammer system would work, far from ignoring it. Sometimes it is printing money, sometimes it isn't, sometimes it is sold locally, sometimes it isn't... It's rather amusing to see you still saying it'll work despite having no clue how exactly it will do that.

If you can't share, then you should be executed!

Communism or death! that could never go poorly could it?

[MSTRS:Me]

If you can't share, then you should be executed! because you are then a drain on the rest of the population.

Jaysus H!! what twisted reasoning that is...
Tell you what, I'll help you to not be a drain on the rest of the population by sucking up everything you don't need - plus a bit. I'll leave you just enough that you can continue to work smart so as to keep me and mine, since we're not clever like you and can't work. How else are we to afford all the diversions we need to fill our oh-so-endless leisure time?

Let them eat cake, indeed.

[Banditbandit]

We got to that position a decade ago. Maybe two.

Yes - and who was responsible for that? Not the current crop of teachers that's for sure ... probably about the generation after you and I left school ..

As I said, if you choose "labourer" as your carreer, (the default for those who don't actively choose otherwise through achievement at school) then you're competing with the third world, and they've got nearly free labour for Africa.

Yes - that's true ... who did not educate them enough to make a good choice? Who is arguing equality rather than equity?

The returns from the invested taxes collected expressly for the purpose from those same pensioners?

No sorry - there is no link from PAYE to where the money will be spent. There is SOME link between other taxes and where the money is spent, but not PAYE.


And if you are paying taxes now then you are paying the pensions now, not saving up for your future - if you belong to KiwiSaver you are certainly saving for your own retirement - and there are other measures recently put in place .. but taxes come in and go out to the pensioners at the same time.

And finally - there was a small troll at the end of my comments - I do not begrudge the pensioners their money ... nor do I begrudge the benefits. (Today's pay slip says I have paid $700+ in tax this pay period ...)

[mashman]

By definition GDP is valued using a currency, what else do you think they would use?

I've been asking for a while now how your million dollar hammer system would work, far from ignoring it. Sometimes it is printing money, sometimes it isn't, sometimes it is sold locally, sometimes it isn't... It's rather amusing to see you still saying it'll work despite having no clue how exactly it will do that.

Communism or death! that could never go poorly could it?

Apply everything you know about the financial system to a virtual financial system where you don't have access to ant of the money in your personal account in Banco el NZo.[/QUOTE]

Communism. Where? Tis your definition, not mine. I'm talking long term survival, not the comfort of the few at the expense of the masses because those few believe that they deserve something more than someone else.

Jaysus H!! what twisted reasoning that is...
Tell you what, I'll help you to not be a drain on the rest of the population by sucking up everything you don't need - plus a bit. I'll leave you just enough that you can continue to work smart so as to keep me and mine, since we're not clever like you and can't work. How else are we to afford all the diversions we need to fill our oh-so-endless leisure time?

Let them eat cake, indeed.

A reasoning that doesn't involve any rules of your financial system.
Do what you want to do, but if that is going to be your position, then you must see that any form of talk of reward or any other form of self justifying premise that you deserve more is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

No, that's the current attitude that you reward hounds have been pushing, we could ALL eat well, be educated well, be looked after well from cradle to grave without the financial system and the self-righteous entitlement complex fucktards... who really should accept that they have given up their right to live by defaulting on their status as a member of the human race due to their lack of tolerance for others. Yes I see the Irony there, but at least I have a valid reason for mine.

[MSTRS:Me]

A reasoning that doesn't involve any rules of your financial system.

It's not my financial system. But it is the one to which we are all subject. Try opting out...