Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

[avgas]

There's other factors that make kiwis 'kiwi' I'm not just talking about the right to residency btw. The longer you've been here, the more likely you are to pick up on them. New immigrants are more than welcome to embrace these values of course. So it is not how long you've been here that determines who is a kiwi, but how long you've been here does give you more of our culture; which I reckon is about a bit more than just working.

What a pile of bullshit. But then again you have only been there for 3 generations - so perhaps your kids will learn, at the local school, from their Chinese-Indian-Samoan-Kiwi mate who shows them that NZ isn't just what their dad said.

[bogan]

What a pile of bullshit. But then again you have only been there for 3 generations - so perhaps your kids will learn, at the local school, from their Chinese-Indian-Samoan-Kiwi mate who shows them that NZ isn't just what their dad said.

Well I've only been here for one, my parents and grandparents got the other two covered. Or perhaps some kiwi values will rub off on the imports...

Obviously that shit is going to get watered down with the whole globalisation thing, but does it mean we shouldn't embrace the kiwi way in the meantime? I mean these are just positive values, it's not like we are wasting valuable education time on a 'native' language we will never need, or a 'native' culture we will never be accepted into...

[bogan]

Since there are now no Ferraris - Consumer choice has been diminished (a choice that was previously availible is now unavailible)

Look, car choice is one thing, but what about diminishing choice of hair styles?

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck that - I will be keeping my Hair and my Consumer Choice

[bogan]

Nope, corollas and comb-overs for everyone. Execute all dissenters, sacrifices must be made to liberate society from the shackles of money.

[Ocean1]

Nope, corollas and comb-overs for everyone. Execute all dissenters, sacrifices must be made to liberate society from the shackles of money.

Worse, I'm afraid. Very much worse...

http://content.time.com/time/special...658030,00.html

[mashman]

Or that those who fail to learn histories lessons are doomed to repeat them....

Which we do, repeatedly, especially the financial system.

Its called Man hours, Carbon Fibre, Aircraft grade Aluminium, Premium Italian Leather (I could go on)

I'll make a note of that and we'll ensure that Ferrari's are banned.

You can't make flippant remarks when you are trying to defend your position and then complain when people use said remark to further dismantle your position

I didn't complain.

No - they have only ever decided on certain exclusive models like the FXX. For a 'standard' Ferrari, anyone with sufficient cash can purchase one - without Cash - How does the allocation of a Ferrari happen?

I put to you that it cannot and will not happen - thus Consumer choice is diminished, first it will be Ferraris, then it will be porsches, then it will be high end BMWs, then it will be Fords/Holdens and the ultimate result will be that you can have a 'choice' of several different NOW approved cars that will all be a PoS

The it'll continue that way. then it'll become second hand. By blowing your dealer apparantly.

Indeed, Questions will be asked, then deflected and then through some clever smoke and mirrors with be diffused - Hmmm how could a single Banking entity that controls the finances for an Entire country be Compromised - I think of a multitude of ways - most of which could be done in a way that attempted removal from power would have extremely negative consequences (in the same way that Dictators tend to stay in power until violently overthrown)

Btw have you read Animal Farm?

Meh. The flaws currently exist, yet it's much easier to keep eyes on 1 than it is on many. It all depends how it's set up and those decisions will be left to more interested minds.

No.

So we agree then - under NOW, Theft and other similar crime will still happen (despite your assertion in the other thread that there will be no need for theft since everyone can just go to the store and pickup what they want/need)

I've never said crime will vanish. But there will be a lot less. Just because there is no need for it does not automatically mean that it cannot happen.

[mashman]

Comfortable and Learning are not related. The venn diagram shows both circles intersecting......but the fact is that they are independent of how people learn.

You can learn stuff the way you like, or you can learn it the way you hate. Either way you can learn it.

The whole nurture and nature debate is a waste of time when you consider one simple concept: What is being taught?

Are we teaching kids what they are comfortable with? What they are uncomfortable with? Doesn't matter. Comfort happens when they become aware of what is out there. Until then, everything might be uncomfortable.
Uncomfortable --> Learning --> Comfortable is a fact of life.

Of course they are. Have you ever seen how a kid reacts when they aren't comfortable (i.e. don't understand) with how and what they're being taught? It takes the emphasis off of what is trying to be achieved. At which point they will often lie depending on their perception of the powerhouse standing over them and how they see themselves in the eyes of their peers.

If you only understand it taught in a particular way and that way is not on offer then you won't learn it at all.

Dunno what you mean in regards to learning and nurture v nature.

It sure is a fact of life, but for kids learning it shouldn't be.

[MSTRS:Me]

If you only understand it taught in a particular way and that way is not on offer then you won't learn it at all.

Which brings us back to the thread subject...

[jonbuoy]

Have it your way.

The reason I'm whining about the current system is because the privilege I have should be available to everyone. As you say, I needed MONEY to be able to achieve such a thing. My pay has fallen in line with my hours as expected. So where is this less for more coming in? Ending third world? Ending poverty full stop will not be changed by putting in a benevolent leader. Every nation has poverty and under-privileged people, so don't tell me that the current system can be end poverty as it simply isn't true. I take it you've been reading about the surge in uptake of food bank usage in the UK. That's poverty. I suggest you watch some of the interviews of those using these food banks before you decide that it's supply driving demand.

So, money that could have gone to help people diverted to send a rocket to another planet. Why not, screw the money, let's look after the people AND send a rocket to Mars. I wonder how much earlier we may have sent that rocket had there not have been the issues of $.

Its also an issue of natural resources which arent infinate. Yes food banks are being implemented and used - so people don't starve.

I didnt say supply was driving demand?

Of course the current system can end poverty. Just because you remove the monetary system it won't stop famine, disease or war. Do you think that if you stopped keeping score in a sporting event it would stop people from wanting to be a better player? You think people will magically stop being aggressive? Sociopaths, Psycopaths will be healed? Racists wont be racist? Megalomaniacs wont crave power or control over other people?

[mashman]

Which brings us back to the thread subject...

And the solutions thus far are, forget those who are unable to learn they way they are taught.
Spend more money and stick another teacher in the class so that multiple methods of teaching could be covered (which'll never happen because there isn't enough money).
And change the model and let parents choose where they send their kids.

Sterling work for a so called civilised and progressive society.

[bogan]

Worse, I'm afraid. Very much worse...

http://content.time.com/time/special...658030,00.html

*Shudders, the final nail in the coffin of communism if ever there was one.

[Ocean1]

Sterling work for a so called civilised and progressive society.

You have got to be the whineyest bastard I’ve ever had the dubious lack of misfortune not to have met.

By the length of the back straight.

Fuck off and find somewhere else to whine about.

[mashman]

Its also an issue of natural resources which arent infinate. Yes food banks are being implemented and used - so people don't starve.

I didnt say supply was driving demand?

Of course the current system can end poverty. Just because you remove the monetary system it won't stop famine, disease or war. Do you think that if you stopped keeping score in a sporting event it would stop people from wanting to be a better player? You think people will magically stop being aggressive? Sociopaths, Psycopaths will be healed? Racists wont be racist? Megalomaniacs wont crave power or control over other people?

They're not, I agree, and what's worse they're wasted. Why are there people at risk of starving in a first world country?

You didn't. But others on here have, along with the UK govt, so thought I'd answer that just in case. No slight was meant, no assertion was made.

Then why hasn't it ended poverty? It may not end famine, but it will give us a better shot at ending famine. It may not end disease, but again, it'll give us a better shot at dealing with disease. It may not end war, but it'll give us a better shot at ending war (which is usually for resources that someone else has but those who want the resources are unwilling to pay for).

I don't think stopping keeping score will stop people from becoming a better player ('mon the mighty Reds). I don't think everyone will stop being aggressive, but it'll give them one less thing to be aggressive over. Sociopaths and psychopaths may well be "healed", if our environment has shaped them. Racists will be racist until they aren't, butchanevaknow perhaps not being able to racially stereotype a group based on supposed financial support will see that behaviour slowly ebb away as it did with homosexuality. Megalomaniacs will still be megalomaniacs, yet there will be less of a hold over people if they are not beholden to buy the "loyalty" or indeed prevent their starvation or indeed play one group off against another etc...

I can't help what I know. It makes sense to me. I'm not and never have been seeking utopia or perfection, but I would like to see an improvement all round in regards to how people are "cared" for by society. Currently too much of that is limited by the financial system, hence I stand against it in principle and know that a system that isn't based on finance would yield better social, technical, technological, education, healthcareical, innovational, progressional etc... results.

[mashman]

You have got to be the whineyest bastard I’ve ever had the dubious lack of misfortune not to have met.

By the length of the back straight.

Fuck off and find somewhere else to whine about.

You haven't met me.

Meh.

Waaaah waaaahhhh wahhhhhhhh. Oh ironing.