A sobering read

[SMOKEU]

I do hope your adherence to the Drink/Drive legislation is consistent with your adherence to the speed limits ...

Sometimes speeding is much safer than travelling at the speed limit, such as when overtaking or travelling in 30kmh zones as other drivers frequently get extremely angry and drive in a very dangerous manner if I'm not speeding by at least 10 or 15kmh over the speed limit. I speak from personal experience. If I'm on a motorway or quiet countryside road in dry conditions with good visibility then sometimes I will travel faster than the speed limit, but then no one else is going to get hurt if it all goes pear shaped. I don't care if drunk drivers crash and kill themselves, but it's when they hurt or kill innocent people that there's a problem.

[FJRider]

Sometimes speeding is much safer than travelling at the speed limit ..

Tell it to the cop that stops you ... and the Judge when it gets to court ...

Whats the bet THEY wont agree with you ...

[bogan]

Tell it to the cop that stops you ... and the Judge when it gets to court ...

Whats the bet THEY wont agree with you ...

Interesting, if speeding was well risky, shouldn't you have said if it gets to court?

Speeding and boozing are two different issues, so people are welcome to have two different opinions of them.

[SMOKEU]

Tell it to the cop that stops you ... and the Judge when it gets to court ...

Whats the bet THEY wont agree with you ...

I'm very well aware of that. The current system is quite good at turning ordinary people into criminals, while many of the real criminals are set free to roam the streets.

The system is corrupt, and the war on speeding achieves nothing for road safety. That money is far better spent on driver/rider training and enforcement for serious offences that are much more likely to end in death or serious injury. You may even be surprised at the number of people who think they are a safe driver, just because they don't exceed the speed limits, even though they engage in other risky behaviour that will sooner or later cause a crash. But that's a whole different thread altogether.

[FJRider]

Interesting, if speeding was well risky, shouldn't you have said if it gets to court?

Cops have a word for those risky speeding times ... Dangerous. The fines and Demerits go UP for them ...

If speeding is so much safer ... I'd think he'd be keen to tell the judge that ... wouldn't he .. ?? He might get off the charge.

Speeding and boozing are two different issues, so people are welcome to have two different opinions of them.

People die doing both ... (some guilty and some innocent) How can they be two different issues ... ???

If you pick and choose which law (and by how much) you will comply with ... it may end with another paying the price.

[bogan]

Cops have a word for those risky speeding times ... Dangerous. The fines and Demerits go UP for them ...

If speeding is so much safer ... I'd think he'd be keen to tell the judge that ... wouldn't he .. ?? He might get off the charge.



People die doing both ... (some guilty and some innocent) How can they be two different issues ... ???

If you pick and choose which law (and by how much) you will comply with ... it may end with another paying the price.

Cops use that same word for bikers...

If law is your only benchmark, different laws, different issues. If safety is simply a binary one, why do you ride?

[SMOKEU]

If you pick and choose which law (and by how much) you will comply with ... it may end with another paying the price.

Some laws are just stupid and don't serve to protect anyone, except for the politicians and bureaucrats who demonise whatever they don't like or understand, so therefore I don't feel like I should comply with certain laws. The best example of this is how cannabis is illegal, yet alcohol is legal. It's not really any different from telling learner riders that they're not allowed to ride a CBR125, but they are allowed to ride a GSXR1000 "just because the government says so".

If law is your only benchmark, different laws, different issues. If safety is simply a binary one, why do you ride?

Exactly!

[Mushu]

I'm very well aware of that. The current system is quite good at turning ordinary people into criminals, while many of the real criminals are set free to roam the streets.

The system is corrupt, and the war on speeding achieves nothing for road safety. That money is far better spent on driver/rider training and enforcement for serious offences that are much more likely to end in death or serious injury. You may even be surprised at the number of people who think they are a safe driver, just because they don't exceed the speed limits, even though they engage in other risky behaviour that will sooner or later cause a crash. But that's a whole different thread altogether.

I agree completely, for a start drink driving and speeding are two very different things. And fuck the cop that thinks it's dangerous to speed in every situation, overtaking for instance should always be done at or close to full throttle (or close to as much throttle as the conditions allow). Often it is safer to speed to get out of a situation than to allow a suspect driver to remain close for any length of time.

I speed every day at some point, doesn't make me a bad driver, situational awareness and allowing for the condition of the road, traffic, weather etc is far more important than some arbitrary number they put on a sign next to the road. (I only really check my speedo if there is a reason to, otherwise I just cruise about at whatever speed I feel is appropriate, could be under or over the speed limit depending on any number of factors)

The only time being under the influence is of benefit on the road is after you have already caused the accident, bring drunk will increase your chances of surviving (and judging by what I have seen the difference in survival rates between drunk and sober drivers is quite substantial)

[Ocean1]

If you pick and choose which law (and by how much) you will comply with ... it may end with another paying the price.

Can you imagine a law for which compliance is more dangerous than making your own decision based on your own environment? Take your time, but there's plenty to choose from.

In which case the price of compliance is more than that of ignoring the law, innit?

And you'd obey that law regardless?

[SMOKEU]

I agree completely, for a start drink driving and speeding are two very different things. And fuck the cop that thinks it's dangerous to speed in every situation, overtaking for instance should always be done at or close to full throttle (or close to as much throttle as the conditions allow). Often it is safer to speed to get out of a situation than to allow a suspect driver to remain close for any length of time.

I speed every day at some point, doesn't make me a bad driver, situational awareness and allowing for the condition of the road, traffic, weather etc is far more important than some arbitrary number they put on a sign next to the road. (I only really check my speedo if there is a reason to, otherwise I just cruise about at whatever speed I feel is appropriate, could be under or over the speed limit depending on any number of factors)

+1 to all of this, although I rarely speed around town since those pesky low powered Ka band speed cameras aren't easily detectable with a radar detector until it's too late.

[FJRider]

I'm very well aware of that. The current system is quite good at turning ordinary people into criminals, while many of the real criminals are set free to roam the streets.

The system is corrupt, and the war on speeding achieves nothing for road safety. That money is far better spent on driver/rider training and enforcement for serious offences that are much more likely to end in death or serious injury. You may even be surprised at the number of people who think they are a safe driver, just because they don't exceed the speed limits, even though they engage in other risky behaviour that will sooner or later cause a crash. But that's a whole different thread altogether.

Exceeding the posted Speed limit (only) is a Traffic infringement .. not a crime. Claiming criminality for that is pathetically humorous ... but you know the rules. Obey them or not.

Killing somebody while you drive under the influence/speeding is a crime. And deserve all you/they get.

People kill their children backing out their own driveway. Who can guess which of your actions might turn out to be dangerous .. ???


Whats the bet you think you are a safe rider/driver ...

[Mushu]

+1 to all of this, although I rarely speed around town since those pesky low powered Ka band speed cameras aren't easily detectable with a radar detector until it's too late.

I don't think about speed cameras much, must just be lucky. Of course I know where all the fixed speed cameras are and I tend to slow if I see a suspect van or a late model commodore.

[ruaphu]

Read that and was disgusted as well Paul.

Ive been hit by three drunk drivers in my 30+yrs of riding...I hate them with a fucking passion!
...I hope that cop meets up with that drunk driving prick in a dark ally one night...and doesn't hold ANYTHING back!

Never nice to lose a mate...but when it happens right in front of you....the memory of it stays with you for the rest of your life!

And the drunken prick not ONLY left the fucken scene..but went on to drunk drive again-

"As people tended to the injured, Whalley left the scene, walking about 200 metres to his home. Whalley has six previous drink driving convictions and was also arrested after getting back behind the wheel two weeks after the crash on December 19, 2012, the day after Wilson died in hospital."

..obviously learnt from his actions ...now just watch the NZ "justice" system slap this prick with a wet bus ticket so he can go on to kill another innocent!


RIP John...loving thoughts to his family and friends...especially his mate who had to watch this horror unfold

Well said bro. Second everything said.

My better half has to deal with these drunken pricks after making a mess of everyone else, very hard to deal with and ALL fecking totally avoidable!

All drink drivers causing injury deserve nothing less than 'stoning' to death! No mercy, no trial, just dealt to!


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[SMOKEU]

Whats the bet you think you are a safe rider/driver ...

I'm not really a safe driver or rider since I lack experience and sufficient training. In fact, I need all the help I can get to improve my skills.

[FJRider]

Can you imagine a law for which compliance is more dangerous than making your own decision based on your own environment? Take your time, but there's plenty to choose from.

In which case the price of compliance is more than that of ignoring the law, innit?

And you'd obey that law regardless?

Should anybody come across such a law ... and make that choice. Any law enforcer may (or may not) use their discretion and not charge the offender.
If not ... the Judge may (or may not) use HIS discretion ...

Those that choose to disregard legislation better hope they get it right (or don't get caught)