Govt 'covering up' school funding plan

[mashman]

how the fuck do you figure that? I got sick of you playing the ad-hominem excuses so went straight to the guy who coined the term R.B.E, to find he agrees with pretty much everything I've been saying; and not a mention of million dollar hammers anywhere from him

Oh I dunno... probably coz ya did.

Yes The Venus Project are going to rely on the current system in order to makes a start, and as I said, I think that's too slow.

[bogan]

Oh I dunno... probably coz ya did.

Yes The Venus Project are going to rely on the current system in order to makes a start, and as I said, I think that's too slow.

So you just ignored all the bits about the need to change people's ways, and increase the tech base of such a society?

Actually, here's an idea, go on their forums and educate yourself.

[mashman]

So you just ignored all the bits about the need to change people's ways, and increase the tech base of such a society?

Actually, here's an idea, go on their forums and educate yourself.

People need to change, no, no they don't. As the experiment that Ocean posted shows, people respond to the environment that is on offer. We don't have to change, but we will in response to a potential environment change.

Nope. I've said before that the tech is important. I've also said before that getting the financial system out of the equation will rapidly speed up the implementation of that tech.

Unknot yer britches son.

[bogan]

People need to change, no, no they don't. As the experiment that Ocean posted shows, people respond to the environment that is on offer. We don't have to change, but we will in response to a potential environment change.

Nope. I've said before that the tech is important. I've also said before that getting the financial system out of the equation will rapidly speed up the implementation of that tech.

Unknot yer britches son.

I think you need to stop using the term R.B.E, cos your crap is nothing like what those dudes are going for.

I'm not surprised you don't want to educate yourself, you seem more like one who wants to bleat instead of making an actual difference. Just think how much quicker those guys could get funding if only they sold hammers

[mashman]

I think you need to stop using the term R.B.E, cos your crap is nothing like what those dudes are going for.

I'm not surprised you don't want to educate yourself, you seem more like one who wants to bleat instead of making an actual difference. Just think how much quicker those guys could get funding if only they sold hammers

Yes it is.

I went and had a look. I see how they are going to do it. I believe it can be done differently. I support them in everything they do because the goal of TVP is an R.B.E. as is the goal of NOW. The difference is how we want to get there. It could be that "theirs" is the first stage, then "mine" is the second stand. Who knows. But the goals are the same. How they run will be the same (coz, shhh, but pssst, NOW and TVP will hopefully discuss how things should work along with the govt, councils, business leaders, industry representatives etc... and a consensus drawn up to present to the public for them to vote for).

[bogan]

Yes it is.

I went and had a look. I see how they are going to do it. I believe it can be done differently. I support them in everything they do because the goal of TVP is an R.B.E. as is the goal of NOW. The difference is how we want to get there. It could be that "theirs" is the first stage, then "mine" is the second stand. Who knows. But the goals are the same. How they run will be the same (coz, shhh, but pssst, NOW and TVP will hopefully discuss how things should work along with the govt, councils, business leaders, industry representatives etc... and a consensus drawn up to present to the public for them to vote for).

I think you need to have a better look, perhaps ask yourself why they plan on building a city, instead of using and existing one.

The goals are not the same, you just want to be rid of money, they want to grow into such a prosperous a society where money has no meaning.

[mashman]

I think you need to have a better look, perhaps ask yourself why they plan on building a city, instead of using and existing one.

The goals are not the same, you just want to be rid of money, they want to grow into such a prosperous a society where money has no meaning.

I said nothing about where it would be built. Look, you go ahead and put words into my mouth all you like.

[bogan]

I said nothing about where it would be built. Look, you go ahead and put words into my mouth all you like.

You want the country to convert at the drop of a hat, that means we would be stuck with current cities and production tech, and all the inefficiencies they contain (people most definitely included in that).

[mashman]

You want the country to convert at the drop of a hat, that means we would be stuck with current cities and production tech, and all the inefficiencies they contain (people most definitely included in that).

I'm not expecting anything at the drop of a hat at all, you are making that shit up. You're not getting any better at putting words into my mouth are ya . Can you explain to me what is so hard about Mr Fresco's designs? (I'm not bagging the guy in the slightest as I love him for his wisdom, his vision, his passion and pretty much agree with everything he stands for). Given that he has stated that the technology is available, what are the limiting factors? We could start in the centre of Chch if "we" chose. There's nothing to say that we couldn't. But absolutely, a green fields site would be more ideal.

When the chips were down in Chch the majority stood up and got stuck in. Would they do the same given the TVP goals? I reckon they might, but we'd never know until they were asked. Given Mr Fresco's and the purpose i.e. earthquake proofing etc... I can't think of many other places in NZ that would benefit more or indeed deserve it more. The idea of virtualising i.e. divorcing ourselves from, the financial system is to facilitate the development of the production tech required to name but 1 thing. It's not the personal crusade you seem to think it is. However I cannot stop you from seeing it that way.

[bogan]

I'm not expecting anything at the drop of a hat at all, you are making that shit up. You're not getting any better at putting words into my mouth are ya . Can you explain to me what is so hard about Mr Fresco's designs? (I'm not bagging the guy in the slightest as I love him for his wisdom, his vision, his passion and pretty much agree with everything he stands for). Given that he has stated that the technology is available, what are the limiting factors? We could start in the centre of Chch if "we" chose. There's nothing to say that we couldn't. But absolutely, a green fields site would be more ideal.

When the chips were down in Chch the majority stood up and got stuck in. Would they do the same given the TVP goals? I reckon they might, but we'd never know until they were asked. Given Mr Fresco's and the purpose i.e. earthquake proofing etc... I can't think of many other places in NZ that would benefit more or indeed deserve it more. The idea of virtualising i.e. divorcing ourselves from, the financial system is to facilitate the development of the production tech required to name but 1 thing. It's not the personal crusade you seem to think it is. However I cannot stop you from seeing it that way.

So how long after said vote would the money be done away with then?

[mashman]

So how long after said vote would the money be done away with then?

I would hope that every alternative would be put up every time we voted. I'm optimistic, so if NOW got in in 2017, I'd go for 2020. 3 years of education should be enough... however we may end up with an LBT or UBI or Social Credit/double currency typed system as an interim. All depends on folk dunnit.

[bogan]

I would hope that every alternative would be put up every time we voted. I'm optimistic, so if NOW got in in 2017, I'd go for 2020. 3 years of education should be enough... however we may end up with an LBT or UBI or Social Credit/double currency typed system as an interim. All depends on folk dunnit.

Three years? so we will be using the same cities and production infrastructure then.

[mashman]

Three years? so we will be using the same cities and production infrastructure then.

If we do nothing in those 3 years, the yes, probably. If we do lots in those 3 years (which will be one of the goals), then we'll have a head start. That's getting in to the detail of areas that others will shape, those wiv da knowledgez... but I don't see it as unrealistic. Everything has to start somewhere.

[bogan]

I'm not expecting anything at the drop of a hat at all, you are making that shit up.

If we do nothing in those 3 years, the yes, probably.

So, back to my original question, why are TVP so focused on the city/infrastructure tech, and you aren't?

[mashman]

So, back to my original question, why are TVP so focused on the city/infrastructure tech, and you aren't?

I don't remember seeing you ask that question. Certainly not in such an obvious way. You did say

So you just ignored all the bits about the need to change people's ways, and increase the tech base of such a society?

At which point I said

Nope. I've said before that the tech is important. I've also said before that getting the financial system out of the equation will rapidly speed up the implementation of that tech.

I'd hardly say that I wasn't focused on it. But to answer your question, I take it as a given that we'd be getting as stuck into city/infrastructure tech, should it be the will of the people. I have, in the past, offered infrastructure solutions, but I'm not going to go into those again here.

I also said

If we do lots in those 3 years (which will be one of the goals), then we'll have a head start

Tis up to the population to decide how much we get done in those 3 years... well, that and the availability of money. After all, we need the people to build the tech as well as to build that which we'll have to do by hand and that can only be done given the money that is available for that task. I'm surprised you never made the connection. Perhaps you chose not to. Either way we are limited by what we decide we are limited to.