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[bogan]

Tis up to the population to decide how much we get done in those 3 years... well, that and the availability of money. After all, we need the people to build the tech as well as to build that which we'll have to do by hand and that can only be done given the money that is available for that task. I'm surprised you never made the connection. Perhaps you chose not to. Either way we are limited by what we decide we are limited to.

You can't change a significant infrastructure in those three years, it just isn't possible with the man hours available. The point that TVP makes, is that we must prove we have both the resources, and the mindset to make an RBE work, before it gets off the ground. Essentially the difference is, you want to get bludgers voting for it then stuck with it, TVP wants to get the doers doing it on their own volition; I wonder which one has a chance of success

You should really join up the their site and get a better grip on what they have found, after all, they've had a lot of smart cookies working on the problem for a while now, and they probably know a bit more about the details of it than some whinger on the internet who still thinks selling million dollar hammers would be a good idea

[mashman]

You can't change a significant infrastructure in those three years, it just isn't possible with the man hours available. The point that TVP makes, is that we must prove we have both the resources, and the mindset to make an RBE work, before it gets off the ground. Essentially the difference is, you want to get bludgers voting for it then stuck with it, TVP wants to get the doers doing it on their own volition; I wonder which one has a chance of success

You should really join up the their site and get a better grip on what they have found, after all, they've had a lot of smart cookies working on the problem for a while now, and they probably know a bit more about the details of it than some whinger on the internet who still thinks selling million dollar hammers would be a good idea

I never said you could, but I said that we could make a start. Even the TVP will need to start. If they've done the legwork then it would be silly to try to start without leveraging that work. You seem to think these sorts of things won't take place. You seem to think that NOW will be a hit and hope that's full of expensive hammers and ignores anything that any other R.B.E. punter has put forwards. You're wrong. Wronger than wrong. But telling me that I should join up (which I did when someone mentioned them to me 4 years ago mebee, and also read TVP Magazine when time allows and watch the odd Fresco tutorial etc...) and that I should learn about how to do everything is moderately amusing given that those tasks will be defined by those who will be more skilled when the time comes. That and your statement sounds as though you don't think the people in any given sphere of endeavour in NZ would say, hey, before we start, do we have the resources for this?

Tell you what. Take me away from the NOW throne you seem to think that I'm going to be sitting at. I won't be anywhere near it. A really radical thought would be, hey bogan, you take on the learnings of the TVP and join NOW.

[bogan]

I never said you could, but I said that we could make a start. Even the TVP will need to start. If they've done the legwork then it would be silly to try to start without leveraging that work. You seem to think these sorts of things won't take place. You seem to think that NOW will be a hit and hope that's full of expensive hammers and ignores anything that any other R.B.E. punter has put forwards. You're wrong. Wronger than wrong. But telling me that I should join up (which I did when someone mentioned them to me 4 years ago mebee, and also read TVP Magazine when time allows and watch the odd Fresco tutorial etc...) and that I should learn about how to do everything is moderately amusing given that those tasks will be defined by those who will be more skilled when the time comes. That and your statement sounds as though you don't think the people in any given sphere of endeavour in NZ would say, hey, before we start, do we have the resources for this?

Tell you what. Take me away from the NOW throne you seem to think that I'm going to be sitting at. I won't be anywhere near it. A really radical thought would be, hey bogan, you take on the learnings of the TVP and join NOW.

Then why does TVP place such importance on the infrastructure side of things, and NOW just ignores that part? TVP has done a lot of research and decided that while we have the tech, it is not yet implemented on such a scale to make an RBE possible, so it must be built from the ground up. That is why TVP has a decent chance, and NOW is just a clusterfuck. So no, while I have taken on the learnings of TVP, they in fact prevent me from joining NOW, not encourage it.

[mashman]

Then why does TVP place such importance on the infrastructure side of things, and NOW just ignores that part? TVP has done a lot of research and decided that while we have the tech, it is not yet implemented on such a scale to make an RBE possible, so it must be built from the ground up. That is why TVP has a decent chance, and NOW is just a clusterfuck. So no, while I have taken on the learnings of TVP, they in fact prevent me from joining NOW, not encourage it.

I would imagine TVP have a lot more going on than the infrastructure. Sigh. NOW doesn't ignore it as mentioned earlier. Yes TVP have done a lot of research and they have decided how they want to go about doing things. Good on them. Yes TVP have a better chance than NOW at getting the ball rolling. NOW is very much a work in progress, it's barely 5 years old v's TVP which is probably about half a century, meh, TVP's models are there to be adopted.

So you wouldn't join up with something that you don't believe you can enhance eh. Perhaps you don't think your input would make any difference to NOW? and by default its evolution.

[bogan]

NOW doesn't ignore it as mentioned earlier.

So you wouldn't join up with something that you don't believe you can enhance eh. Perhaps you don't think your input would make any difference to NOW? and by default its evolution.

Well they do ignore it, as three years is not enough. Hell, 30 years would be barely adequate for country wide adoption of those sort of changes.

I wouldn't join up with something that is shit. The best difference I can make to it is consigning it to oblivion, though you're doing as good a job of that as I am I think.

[mashman]

Well they do ignore it, as three years is not enough. Hell, 30 years would be barely adequate for country wide adoption of those sort of changes.

I wouldn't join up with something that is shit. The best difference I can make to it is consigning it to oblivion, though you're doing as good a job of that as I am I think.

[bogan]

Yeh, that's pretty much the common reaction to NOW. And then laughter as you realise that some blokes actually think it'll work

[mashman]

Yeh, that's pretty much the common reaction to NOW. And then laughter as you realise that some blokes actually think it'll work

Meh...........

[bogan]

Meh...........

And here we see the mashy in his natural habitat, when faced with logic contrary to his beliefs, he seeks to reduce the debate down a few notches so all will forget the point at hand. But that's ok, as it is clearly (to everyone else) a coping mechanism for being part of such a shitty idea that will never come to fruition.

[TheDemonLord]

I was actually having a followup thought about this whilst on a ride the other day.

This is one RBE in fiction that works well in a way that could work in real life.....


Star Trek.

There are 2 key points that Star Trek addresses that would make an RBE work:

1: Aliens

Humans love tribalism (Us vs Them) we really do, Bikers vs Cagers, Christians vs Islam, Religon vs Athiesm, NOW vs TVP etc. etc. - this all really tends to go against the large scale community spirit needed. - however if we discovered Aliens (equal or superior to humans) then it would stop a lot of the infighting as now Humanity has to unite against the common Threat (regardless of whether the aliens were peaceful or not - gotta love that Xenophobic tendancies)

2: Replicator technology

In short -in the ST universe, We have found a way to turn energy into Matter (an expansion on E=MC2) and so all food items are made using replicators (turning lots of energy into the objects desired) which means there is in effect never a shortage of resources (except for certain things that are too complex to replicate, or in some cases personal Preference)

In the ST Universe - everyone could own a ferrari or a Lamborghini as it could be replicated within a short time period, this would over time diminish the need for desirable goods....

[mashman]

And here we see the mashy in his natural habitat, when faced with logic contrary to his beliefs, he seeks to reduce the debate down a few notches so all will forget the point at hand. But that's ok, as it is clearly (to everyone else) a coping mechanism for being part of such a shitty idea that will never come to fruition.

Ok, facepalm one was placed there because you didn't accept that I said that the first 3 years would be a start i.e. planning, getting those on board who would like to make certain things a reality.

The triple facepalm ignores the ad-hominem entirely and is there in response to you saying that you wouldn't join something that you thought you could enhance.

that one is for the post above. As amusing as it was, it serves absolutely no purpose.

[mashman]

I was actually having a followup thought about this whilst on a ride the other day.

This is one RBE in fiction that works well in a way that could work in real life.....


Star Trek.

There are 2 key points that Star Trek addresses that would make an RBE work:

1: Aliens

Humans love tribalism (Us vs Them) we really do, Bikers vs Cagers, Christians vs Islam, Religon vs Athiesm, NOW vs TVP etc. etc. - this all really tends to go against the large scale community spirit needed. - however if we discovered Aliens (equal or superior to humans) then it would stop a lot of the infighting as now Humanity has to unite against the common Threat (regardless of whether the aliens were peaceful or not - gotta love that Xenophobic tendancies)

2: Replicator technology

In short -in the ST universe, We have found a way to turn energy into Matter (an expansion on E=MC2) and so all food items are made using replicators (turning lots of energy into the objects desired) which means there is in effect never a shortage of resources (except for certain things that are too complex to replicate, or in some cases personal Preference)

In the ST Universe - everyone could own a ferrari or a Lamborghini as it could be replicated within a short time period, this would over time diminish the need for desirable goods....

so all we need is aliens with replicators. Shouldn't be too hard to find. Although we'd likely try to shoot them down so that we could autopsy them and find out how to kill them should they ever return.

[bogan]

I was actually having a followup thought about this whilst on a ride the other day.

This is one RBE in fiction that works well in a way that could work in real life.....


Star Trek.

There are 2 key points that Star Trek addresses that would make an RBE work:

1: Aliens

Humans love tribalism (Us vs Them) we really do, Bikers vs Cagers, Christians vs Islam, Religon vs Athiesm, NOW vs TVP etc. etc. - this all really tends to go against the large scale community spirit needed. - however if we discovered Aliens (equal or superior to humans) then it would stop a lot of the infighting as now Humanity has to unite against the common Threat (regardless of whether the aliens were peaceful or not - gotta love that Xenophobic tendancies)

2: Replicator technology

In short -in the ST universe, We have found a way to turn energy into Matter (an expansion on E=MC2) and so all food items are made using replicators (turning lots of energy into the objects desired) which means there is in effect never a shortage of resources (except for certain things that are too complex to replicate, or in some cases personal Preference)

In the ST Universe - everyone could own a ferrari or a Lamborghini as it could be replicated within a short time period, this would over time diminish the need for desirable goods....

Be hard to balance the threat vs the benefits of tribalism, if that extra work just goes into a war effort, yeh we're united, but we'd be worse off anyway.

Replicators would be sweet, long way off though, 3DP is still too energy intensive to be a good option even for single material products; let alone complicated materials and functional product.

[bogan]

Ok, facepalm one was placed there because you didn't accept that I said that the first 3 years would be a start i.e. planning, getting those on board who would like to make certain things a reality.

The triple facepalm ignores the ad-hominem entirely and is there in response to you saying that you wouldn't join something that you thought you could enhance.

that one is for the post above. As amusing as it was, it serves absolutely no purpose.

You said three years from vote to implementation. And you admitted we would not be able to change infrastructure in that time; so it results in an RBE without the infrastructure TVP deems necesary to support one. So why do you think NOW knows better than TVP and their years of research?

Did I say that? I said I wouldn't join something that is shit, for that reason alone; it is simply not worth enhancing.

Just like you previous two ones? No purpose except to avoid the debate.

[mashman]

You said three years from vote to implementation. And you admitted we would not be able to change infrastructure in that time; so it results in an RBE without the infrastructure TVP deems necesary to support one. So why do you think NOW knows better than TVP and their years of research?

Did I say that? I said I wouldn't join something that is shit, for that reason alone; it is simply not worth enhancing.

Just like you previous two ones? No purpose except to avoid the debate.

Implementation of separating us from the financial system, yes. Where did I say we couldn't change infrastructure, as that is open ended and up to the people to decide. Oh dear lord you didn't think I meant that everything would be done and dusted in 3 years? Remember the bit where I said it would be a start. Have a facepalm .

Well that was the answer you gave to my question. You can't enhance what you think is shit... ya know, therefore making it less shit. You're not displaying, what I would call, the attitude that empires were built on... oh, hang on, forgot where I was and what time I am in.

They were the answers to your questions. You don't like them, as I knew you wouldn't so saved some time and posted facepalms.