A new mid-capacity class?

[scott411]

A pedant would be looking for an argument then.

Where does a newish rider with a GSXR750 fit? Or a Ducati 898? Stick intake restrictors in them and you've got a much safer environment for newer riders than the current Clubmans setup.

I really don't like the Clubmans class. It mixes vastly different machinery ridden by inexperienced (at racing) riders.

I doubt they would want their first race at the nationals either, which Choppa first started out for,

and I thought it was about using 600's, as they could go unrestrict them and go into supersport, neither of those bikes would be any good for that,

[budda]

A pedant would be looking for an argument then.

Where does a newish rider with a GSXR750 fit? Or a Ducati 898? Stick intake restrictors in them and you've got a much safer environment for newer riders than the current Clubmans setup.

I really don't like the Clubmans class. It mixes vastly different machinery ridden by inexperienced (at racing) riders.

Which very nicely illustrates my point - most guys are NOT buying a bike to race, they want to race the one they've got. If they WERE buying a GSXR750 or the Duck for the track, their dealer sold 'em a pup.

People new to racing are typically NOT entering Clubmans at a Nationals meeting - FACT.......

The "Clubmans" Class at nationals is a catch-all designed to A; get more people exposed to the Nationals environment, and B; get some much needed entry fees into the coffers of the organising Club

Tell us, oh argumentive one, how many bad prangs have been had by Clubmans competitors at Nationals meetings in the last 10 years ? NOW, contrast that with the number of similar incidents at CLUB DAYS ..... where is the problem ?????????

[Mental Trousers]

I doubt they would want their first race at the nationals either, which Choppa first started out for,

That's the riders choice. Chop is normal. Run it as a class either separately or mixed in with F3 at club level and racers in the class wouldn't have to go do a Nationals event if they didn't want to.

and I thought it was about using 600's, as they could go unrestrict them and go into supersport, neither of those bikes would be any good for that,

The original question was, but I don't see why you'd restrict it to just 4/600's. Restrictors can even out the performance of widely varying bikes so that they're suddenly all very similar. By opening it up to almost anything as long as it runs the appropriate restrictor you've got
what Choppa was originally talking about but also

• a class for existing bikes like the Pro Twins
• a limited performance class that can be a great intro for new racers
• a class that could be run at Nationals level
• a class that can run at club level, either separately or mixed in with F3
• bikes such as R6's etc can be upgraded to other classes by removing the restrictors

You also do away with a class whose original intention has been wiped out by the ridiculous performance levels of modern road bikes.

[Shaun Harris]

A pedant would be looking for an argument then.

Where does a newish rider with a GSXR750 fit? Or a Ducati 898? Stick intake restrictors in them and you've got a much safer environment for newer riders than the current Clubmans setup.

I really don't like the Clubmans class. It mixes vastly different machinery ridden by inexperienced (at racing) riders.

They fit in the club scene where they belong. Other wise they should have purchased a bike that fits into the nats series if that is what they want to do.

The Nats are for people who are about SERIOUS Fun, the club scene and club mans is for people who either want to get started racing or for people who really just want to have fun and go racing

Good luck with this thread Choppa, and good on ya for thinking outside the square and looking for areas to try and improve BUT BUT BUT


Nationals
F1
F2
F3


Club series

what ever the club wants to run and side cars unless they stay with the trucks for good!

[budda]

That's the riders choice. Chop is normal. Run it as a class either separately or mixed in with F3 at club level and racers in the class wouldn't have to go do a Nationals event if they didn't want to.

• a class for existing bikes like the Pro Twins
• a limited performance class that can be a great intro for new racers
• a class that could be run at Nationals level
• a class that can run at club level, either separately or mixed in with F3
• bikes such as R6's etc can be upgraded to other classes by removing the restrictors

.

You mean that exciting Nationals Class called SuperLite ?

[Mental Trousers]

Which very nicely illustrates my point - most guys are NOT buying a bike to race, they want to race the one they've got. If they WERE buying a GSXR750 or the Duck for the track, their dealer sold 'em a pup.

People new to racing are typically NOT entering Clubmans at a Nationals meeting - FACT.......

The "Clubmans" Class at nationals is a catch-all designed to A; get more people exposed to the Nationals environment, and B; get some much needed entry fees into the coffers of the organising Club

Tell us, oh argumentive one, how many bad prangs have been had by Clubmans competitors at Nationals meetings in the last 10 years ? NOW, contrast that with the number of similar incidents at CLUB DAYS ..... where is the problem ?????????

So you'd be the pedant then.

This is getting off topic somemore but however.

I realize Clubmans riders aren't entering National level events, there wasn't even a Clubmans class at some events this year. But the way to encourage them to enter at that level is to have a reason to spend the money and get the experience, something which having a National ranking can provide, racing against similar performance machinery instead of hugely different gear, chasing Nationally ranked riders around at club level etc. All motivators to enter a National level event.

Also, I know Clubmans haven't had any really serious crashes but that doesn't change the fact when it was originally introduced the bikes had a fraction of the performance they do now. Just because nobody has died doesn't mean it's safe. That's the sort of argument Roading NZ (or whatever they're called) would use. Besides, having alsorts of differing machine performance doesn't encourage anyone to step up to a Nationals event if they're just going to get their arse handed to them by a bunch of litre bikes.

[Mental Trousers]

You mean that exciting Nationals Class called SuperLite ?

It should still be called F3 dammit.

But F3 doesn't fit the other criteria that Chop was talking about. The bike performance in F3 varies widely and doesn't offer the sort of competition that a restricted performance class can.

[Shaun Harris]

All 600 bikes are NOT = in Horse power or Tourque in the first place. So to make this idea fair, it would require a lot of testing work to develop the write size restricters for each 600 and 675 availlable. And then you would need the SAME dyno for any testing and or protest to prove the Horse power out put, and then it only takes a cleaver person to wire in some thing to limit the Horse power for the Dyno run.



250 production for young learners
Pro twin for slow learners that want/need more time
Superlights for those that want to build there own hot rods with fully adjustable suspension


Then step up to the current 600 rules class if you are ready to go racing hard or just for fun and have the budget

[budda]

so you'd be the pedant then.

This is getting off topic somemore but however.

I realize clubmans riders aren't entering national level events, there wasn't even a clubmans class at some events this year. But the way to encourage them to enter at that level is to have a reason to spend the money and get the experience, something which having a national ranking can provide, racing against similar performance machinery instead of hugely different gear, chasing nationally ranked riders around at club level etc. All motivators to enter a national level event.

Also, i know clubmans haven't had any really serious crashes but that doesn't change the fact when it was originally introduced the bikes had a fraction of the performance they do now. Just because nobody has died doesn't mean it's safe. That's the sort of argument roading nz (or whatever they're called) would use. Besides, having alsorts of differing machine performance doesn't encourage anyone to step up to a nationals event if they're just going to get their arse handed to them by a bunch of litre bikes.

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[Shaun Harris]

arthur fars cake

hahahahahaha





Man I bet BILLY is laughing his tits off, if the skinny kunt had any

[Mental Trousers]

Man I bet BILLY is laughing his tits off, if the skinny kunt had any

It's just another day on the internet.

[Billy]

hahahahahaha





Man I bet BILLY is laughing his tits off, if the skinny kunt had any

Hahahahaha,Haven't stopped laughing for a coupla days now.

Heres some truth for the "Whales and Dolphin" types amongst us,Back when the country WAS producing riders with what it took to run with the best in the world,The classes were,125GP,250 Production,F3, 600 production,F2,Senior production and F1,ALL those classes are currently available today in 1 form or another.

The reality is,When guys like yourself and Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg etc decided to have a go,You guys just packed up,Bit the bullet and went for it for which I for one have mucho respect,The sad fact with todays youth,Is they want it all laid out for them or theyre just not interested,Introducing more classes whatever they may be,Will not fix that,You can keep making classes until theres enough that everybody can win one and it won't change naff all.

The one thing I have learnt in all the years I have been involved is,The more talk there is of canning classes for whatever reason,The less likelyhood they will grow due to lack of confidence.

[RobGassit]

Hahahahaha,Haven't stopped laughing for a coupla days now.

Heres some truth for the "Whales and Dolphin" types amongst us,Back when the country WAS producing riders with what it took to run with the best in the world,The classes were,125GP,250 Production,F3, 600 production,F2,Senior production and F1,ALL those classes are currently available today in 1 form or another.

The reality is,When guys like yourself and Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg etc decided to have a go,You guys just packed up,Bit the bullet and went for it for which I for one have mucho respect,The sad fact with todays youth,Is they want it all laid out for them or theyre just not interested,Introducing more classes whatever they may be,Will not fix that,You can keep making classes until theres enough that everybody can win one and it won't change naff all.

The one thing I have learnt in all the years I have been involved is,The more talk there is of canning classes for whatever reason,The less likelyhood they will grow due to lack of confidence.

Precisely why post #5 phucked me off! And coming from a respected superbike rider made it worse. Imagine the entry fee for Superbikes and Supersport at a National round if no support classes turned up for a fang?
Anyway Billy, I read on facebook this week that they have found the next Kevin Schwantz, so I guess he will be skipping F3, ProTwin,125 GP, and any other shit us retards run downunder and heading directly overseas to MotoGp.

[CHOPPA]

Well I have to admit I was wrong about the F3 class, its obviously doing quite well and there certainly a lot of bikes that are eligible new and old.

I guess it all comes back to the point where you cant just keep trying to fit classes in to fit people really people just have to fit to what classes we have.

The restricted idea came from a safety perspective in that people who wanted to ride 600 straight from the 250s would have a stepping stone but after this discussion I think that if your a rider of very high caliber on a 250 then there is no reason why you cant just go to a normal 600 and if you are not quite at that caliber then the pro twins and f3 classes offer that next step

[CHOPPA]

Do you think these guys Aaron,Simon,Stroudy,Chris Haldane,Eddie Kattenberg would have had the same success in todays market?