Nice little earner, says Peter Dunne

[Hawk]

Those with a distinctive paint/motorcycle/apparel ... enjoy the right to be different ... while you can.

another reason not wear hi vis

[FJRider]

Riiight - so when the budgets are made, the revenue isn't a consideration - that $50m isn't allowed for in the expected income?? The minister of police won't put pressure on the commissioner to deliver if takings are down?
They don't need to keep the dosh for it to be a KPI. Ask any salesman...

It is simple reasoning to understand Police process to gain Goverment funding for "Problem" fix's in the Law Enforcement of NZ. To get funding to fix "Problem" issues ... first there must be SEEM to be a "Problem" to be "Fixed".

For example. If annually there are 250,000 Traffic Infringement notices issued (Nationwide) for exceeding the posted speed limit .... there is seen to be a problem with speed. If 150 Infringement notices were issued (Nationwide) ... then obviously NO (real) problem exists and NO extra funding is required.

And none will be given.

[Hinny]

It is simple reasoning to understand Police process to gain Goverment funding for "Problem" fix's in the Law Enforcement of NZ. To get funding to fix "Problem" issues ... first there must be SEEM to be a "Problem" to be "Fixed".

For example. If annually there are 250,000 Traffic Infringement notices issued (Nationwide) for exceeding the posted speed limit .... there is seen to be a problem with speed. If 150 Infringement notices were issued (Nationwide) ... then obviously NO (real) problem exists and NO extra funding is required.

And none will be given.

After just spending a couple of months overseas I get the impression we are living in a police state.
I quite forgot what the sound of howling sirens was like. Got reintroduced on the ride back from the airport.
They are out of control!

[FJRider]

After just spending a couple of months overseas I get the impression we are living in a police state.
I quite forgot what the sound of howling sirens was like. Got reintroduced on the ride back from the airport.
They are out of control!

If NZ was a "Police State" ... they would carry guns in sight ... and they would use them. With little or no warning.

NZ has a long way to go yet ... before they even get close to being a "Police State" ...

Scared of a few sirens are you ... ???

[Hinny]

If NZ was a "Police State" ... they would carry guns in sight ... and they would use them. With little or no warning.

NZ has a long way to go yet ... before they even get close to being a "Police State" ...

Scared of a few sirens are you ... ???

I think you are wrong.

I get annoyed by the lots of sirens we hear - all day and all night. Many years ago the cops weren't allowed to use sirens because of their irresponsible use of them. Made such a pleasant difference. I used to be able to go outside at my Remuera residence any time might or day and hear a siren within five minutes. It was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. It seems you can't travel for more than half an hour without seeing a cop. with someone pulled over. I can't believe that we benefit from such police activity. On the available empirical evidence it appears that such attention actually has a negative effect of driver competence and safety. Like road markings. No passing lanes. Not only on are they in areas where one might assume it was safe to pass if one was unfamiliar with the road and the road markings in such instances warn of danger, but one sees no passing lines go around blind corners and over blind crests where nobody with half a brain would consider passing. The result of this I believe is that people feel it is safe to pass whenever there is an absence of no passing lines. May be as illogical to you as it is to me, however, I believe it is because of the actions of the destroyers of our roads that has led to the absence of a competent motoring public.

[Tigadee]

I get annoyed by the lots of sirens we hear - all day and all night.

Are you lumping ambulances in there together with police sirens? I think the ambulances are more busy than the police, what with the aging population, careless motorists and the like in this country.

[pritch]

I live close enough to a main road to hear the sirens and have the impression that there are more than there used to be. They are not all Police though, last week there was a succession of sirens: the first two were probably Police then maybe a fire engine, followed by an ambulance, then maybe the Fire Service white car or another police car.

The fire engines and the ambulances can be identified by the additional use of their horns because the more comatose drivers don't feel compelled to move out of their way with the same alacrity as for the police. The actual number of sirens presumably depends on the size of the mess?

[FJRider]

I think you are wrong.

I know you are ...

I get annoyed by the lots of sirens we hear - all day and all night.

I haven't heard one for three days ..

Many years ago the cops weren't allowed to use sirens because of their irresponsible use of them. Made such a pleasant difference.

Many years ago ... there wasn't a great need for them in most areas ... where do YOU live ... ???

I used to be able to go outside at my Remuera residence any time might or day and hear a siren within five minutes.

The bold bit explains all .... have you considered moving to a nicer (quieter) area/province ... ???

It seems you can't travel for more than half an hour without seeing a cop. with someone pulled over.

I drove from Cromwell to Christchurch ... then back to Dunedin yesterday ... the only cops I saw on the whole trip were attending a road accident ... (and two speed camera vans)

I can't believe that we benefit from such police activity. On the available empirical evidence it appears that such attention actually has a negative effect of driver competence and safety.

On your say so you mean ... ??? and traffic fines add to treasury ... a requires less tax we pay. And not ALL sirens mean Highway Patrol are stopping vehicles ... fire and ambulances have them too you know. Big cities with large populations do have more emergencies requiring urgent Police presence ... requiring sirens to warn the motoring public of their approach. Do you wish to deny them that use of siren .. used in the interest of public safety ..?? OR ... you just want peace and quiet. If the latter ... how noble of you ... NOT .. !!!

Like road markings. No passing lanes. Not only on are they in areas where one might assume it was safe to pass if one was unfamiliar with the road and the road markings in such instances warn of danger, but one sees no passing lines go around blind corners and over blind crests where nobody with half a brain would consider passing. The result of this I believe is that people feel it is safe to pass whenever there is an absence of no passing lines. May be as illogical to you as it is to me, however, I believe it is because of the actions of the destroyers of our roads that has led to the absence of a competent motoring public.

May I point out ... Police do not dictate WHERE The no passing lines are placed. (Transit New Zealand do .. as I understand)

I believe in the Easter bunny ... perhaps BOTH our beliefs are askew ...

[scumdog]

I think you are wrong.

I get annoyed by the lots of sirens we hear - all day and all night. Many years ago the cops weren't allowed to use sirens because of their irresponsible use of them. Made such a pleasant difference. I used to be able to go outside at my Remuera residence any time might or day and hear a siren within five minutes. It was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. It seems you can't travel for more than half an hour without seeing a cop. with someone pulled over. I can't believe that we benefit from such police activity. On the available empirical evidence it appears that such attention actually has a negative effect of driver competence and safety. Like road markings. No passing lanes. Not only on are they in areas where one might assume it was safe to pass if one was unfamiliar with the road and the road markings in such instances warn of danger, but one sees no passing lines go around blind corners and over blind crests where nobody with half a brain would consider passing. The result of this I believe is that people feel it is safe to pass whenever there is an absence of no passing lines. May be as illogical to you as it is to me, however, I believe it is because of the actions of the destroyers of our roads that has led to the absence of a competent motoring public.

Time to untwist your Victorias Secret specials...

[Hinny]

Time to untwist your Victorias Secret specials...

I got Pratunam market specials matey and they are not in a twist.

Can't imagine many Kiwi drivers being able to handle the Bangkok mayhem. They look where they are going over there.
Got to Singapore - uber control - saw an accident after 2 days.
The world is arse about face I tell ya.

[Hinny]

I believe in the Easter bunny ... perhaps BOTH our beliefs are askew ...

You believe in the Easter Bunny because of the foreseen benefits of satiated sugar cravings - satisfied gluttony for some of us - and so you delude yourself.

As to my other beliefs - it is simple - I am right.

[R650R]

Like road markings. No passing lanes. Not only on are they in areas where one might assume it was safe to pass if one was unfamiliar with the road and the road markings in such instances warn of danger, but one sees no passing lines go around blind corners and over blind crests where nobody with half a brain would consider passing. The result of this I believe is that people feel it is safe to pass whenever there is an absence of no passing lines. May be as illogical to you as it is to me, however, I believe it is because of the actions of the destroyers of our roads that has led to the absence of a competent motoring public.

I think you meant to say we are living in a Feral State, yes our driving is shocking.
Was going to ask if you had been on holiday in somewhere lawless like Somalia, but lol actually Singapore, they don't much about there.
I live near a busy junction, fast cars and bikes by day and feral drunk teens wandering streets by night nearly all week. We're nowhere near a police state as they are way to lenient on all the rubbish causing disturbance at night, too busy dealing with domestics.
The real worry should not be the police but the brownshirts of society who are all to keen to *555 you for minor offences.

[BMWST?]

Its all the LOUD,cars,bikes,and trucks that annoy me,not sirens

[Hinny]

[QUOTE=R650R;1130706537]I think you meant to say we are livinpaid attention to what they were doing and coped with other roD ussrsa Feral State, yes our driving is shocking.
Was going to ask if you had been on holiday in somewhere lawless like Somalia, but lol actually Singapore, they don't much about there.
I live near a busy junction, fast cars and bikes by day and feral drunk teens wandering streets by night nearly all week. We're nowhere near a police state as they are way to lenient on all the rubbish causing disturbance at night, too busy dealing with domestics.
The real worry should not be the police but the brownshirts of society who are all to keen to *555 you for minor offences.[/QUOTE
You clearly miss my point. That point being that the 'attention' of traffic enforcement officers often has the exact opposite effect to that desired.
I was in Thailand which appeared lawless but had drivers who paid attention to other road users and reacted to them. I didn't see any traffic enforcement and traffic flowed. The opposite of what we have here. The problems are created by the solutions in the same manner that the drug problem was created by misguided people trying to find solutions.

[Hinny]

Its all the LOUD,cars,bikes,and trucks that annoy me,not sirens

Don't hear any of those here. Just sirens - not Ambos as they have a different sound.
Interestingly I have found I can't hear sirens behind me even though my bike is quiet. ... and I'm pretty sure it is not because I am riding near the speed of sound.