The Ukraine

[Brian d marge]

Gosh they are good



He raises some good points , and remember folks the IMF are in like Flynn and as per my post above they transfer wealth ..

Step One is privatization

Step Two is capital market liberalization.

Step Three: market-based pricing ( prices going up due to shareholders etc Mighty river power etc !)

Step Four: free trade ( read wealth transfer )

Damn they are good

Stephen

[awa355]

Gosh they are good



He raises some good points , and remember folks the IMF are in like Flynn and as per my post above they transfer wealth ..

Step One is privatization

Step Two is capital market liberalization.

Step Three: market-based pricing ( prices going up due to shareholders etc Mighty river power etc !)

Step Four: free trade ( read wealth transfer )

Damn they are good

Stephen

Surely, you aren't suggesting that the west want to control the Ukraine because of their oil and gas fields ???

I dont believe it, bring democracy, Maccas, KFC, Wendy's , maybe, but wanting the gas, oil ??, Nah, dont believe that for a minute. The West are the ' good ' guys , arent they??

[mashman]

FINALLY I hear what I've been expecting for some time. The UN are looking at removing Russia's vote from the council. Syria and Iran here they come.

[oneblackflag]

FINALLY I hear what I've been expecting for some time. The UN are looking at removing Russia's vote from the council. Syria and Iran here they come.

That would be awasome news.

[Brian d marge]

And what would be the outcome of the removal of the vote
Not much I suspect as Russia and others are busily moving away from the UN and the petrodollar
I might even get me TV before xmas

Yeah

Stephen

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[awa355]

Speaking of the UN, apart from promoting humanitarian causes, has it had its day? Seems as a global policeman its pretty much a toothless tiger.

[R650R]

That would be awasome news.

Only if your a sunglass and lead salesman.
Syria is one of the few decent seaports Russia has access to for exports and defence support

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-...erways/5374021

and from another source:
"There’s a simple fact about Russia. It’s been doomed by geography to never be a great European naval power, because of one thing. For almost the entirety of its history, it had no warm-water port and no access to the Mediterranean. The Russians have been trying to correct that problem since before the time of Peter the Great, and Peter, builder of the Russian Empire, put the attempt into overdrive

To improve his nation’s position on the seas, Peter sought to gain more maritime outlets. His only outlet at the time was the White Sea [click to see how far north this is] at Arkhangelsk.

The Baltic Sea was at the time controlled by Sweden in the north, while the Black Sea was controlled by the Ottoman Empire in the south. Peter attempted to acquire control of the Black Sea; to do so he would have to expel the Tatars from the surrounding areas.

As part of an agreement with Poland which ceded Kiev to Russia, Peter was forced to wage war against the Crimean Khan and against the Khan’s overlord, the Ottoman Sultan. Peter’s primary objective became the capture of the Ottoman fortress of Azov, near the Don River [and near Crimea on the Black Sea]. In the summer of 1695 Peter organized the Azov campaigns to take the fortress, but his attempts ended in failure.

Peter returned to Moscow in November of that year and began building a large navy. He launched about thirty ships against the Ottomans in 1696, capturing Azov in July of that year. On 12 September 1698, Peter officially founded the first Russian Navy base, Taganrog.

the Crimean warm-water port is a prize no Russian tsar, or emperor, or president will ever let go without a fight. Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine because Ukraine was also Russian (and because Khrushchev was Ukrainian). But Crimea is and was both different and special. It looks like Putin, like a century of Russians before him, is taking it back. What will the Ukrainians, whoever that is these days, do?

But more to the point for us, what will Obama and the U.S. do? Putin has called their bluster and their bluff."

[SPman]

Looks like things are hotting up...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ukraine-russia
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article...aspx?id=211573
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle38176.htm

Kerry is getting stuck into Russia for "an illegal and illegitimate effort to destabilize a sovereign state and create a contrived crisis with paid operatives across an international boundary," Kerry told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Kerry called the demonstrations in eastern Ukraine a "contrived pretext for military intervention just as we saw in Crimea."

Well, he should know, the CIA wrote the book on subversive, invasive, destabilising militants and subversives and has used it to effect since 1952!

[R650R]

Its started...

[awa355]

I'm beginning to side with the Russians more and more over this issue. Not for a moment, do I believe in the integrity of the western leadership, especially that of the Americans. One side is as bad as the other when it comes to lying, and ulterior motives.

[oneblackflag]

No one can be perfect but I'd far rather be living under Western rule than say the likes of Russia or China.

I would love to see Putin's undercover special forces bombed to shit by the Ukraine in East Ukraine... As for the ethnic Russians Putin is trying to 'protect' they should apply for a Russian Visa if they hate the Ukraine so much

[R650R]

No one can be perfect but I'd far rather be living under Western rule than say the likes of Russia or China.

Do we really live any different these days:
Random military style checkpoints in urban areas to check wof/rego
Must carry papers at all times or be detained and fined (drivers license)
Cannot stage a protest in city without a permit from the authorities
Restricted weapons ownership aka gun license
Unable to alter housing without permit or consent and then with restrictions
Plenty of propaganda shows promoting military and police on TV (how many cops shows do we need, at least they are entertaining )
Leaders exempt from law (aka aunty Helens dash to rugby)

[oneblackflag]

Do we really live any different these days:
Random military style checkpoints in urban areas to check wof/rego
Must carry papers at all times or be detained and fined (drivers license)
Cannot stage a protest in city without a permit from the authorities
Restricted weapons ownership aka gun license
Unable to alter housing without permit or consent and then with restrictions
Plenty of propaganda shows promoting military and police on TV (how many cops shows do we need, at least they are entertaining )
Leaders exempt from law (aka aunty Helens dash to rugby)

I see what your saying, and I hate all that crap.... but but but Russia (Putin) is a baddie.

[Voltaire]

and because Khrushchev was Ukrainian

, he reminds me of Bob Hoskins

Google says he was born in Russia....sources.....gotta love them.

[oldrider]

Do we really live any different these days:
Random military style checkpoints in urban areas to check wof/rego
Must carry papers at all times or be detained and fined (drivers license)
Cannot stage a protest in city without a permit from the authorities
Restricted weapons ownership aka gun license
Unable to alter housing without permit or consent and then with restrictions
Plenty of propaganda shows promoting military and police on TV (how many cops shows do we need, at least they are entertaining )
Leaders exempt from law (aka aunty Helens dash to rugby) True!

Alternative "cooking" shows make them (Cop shows) seem to be entertaining, it's all part of the propaganda drive!

As for the ethnic Russians Putin is trying to 'protect' they should apply for a Russian Visa if they hate the Ukraine so much ... toatally agree with that comment!