Go Kart tracks for Bucket bike racing

[Henk]

Understood man. one thing I never do is bite the arse of people/things that feed me, and in this case that is any thing related to racing bikes. Hey this may well even lead to a BRAND NEW Small track for " Kayo" MiniGP bikes yet??? I never give up trying man.

Not wanting to sound like a complete dickhead but with the Kayo things, why?
Yet another weird offshoot class that probably won't gain traction, we've been telling the mini motard guys for about two years now that they can have a class if they get six, they haven't managed it. Why dilute possible entries with something different when you can pick up an FXR for about a grand and be competitive without spending much on top of it.

[Shaun Harris]

Not wanting to sound like a complete dickhead but with the Kayo things, why?
Yet another weird offshoot class that probably won't gain traction, we've been telling the mini motard guys for about two years now that they can have a class if they get six, they haven't managed it. Why dilute possible entries with something different when you can pick up an FXR for about a grand and be competitive without spending much on top of it.

I never metioned the dreaded word " class " mate, that is just you reading words into my OP that are not there. I am looking to build an enviroment where KIDS ( Under 13) can be taught and trained : "Race craft" on = quality reliable equipment which the Kayo Minigp bikes are! How do I know that for a " Fact " I have hours and hours of on board footage from a very close friend living in china who has been racing and really abusing them for a couple of years now.

The deal that has been tentatively negotiated for the purchase of 26 units ( The budget is not in place as yet) would have them here and availlable for approx $2000-00 retail for brand new units, and or a fee for the rental of them in a controlled enviroment after going through the school room system a compulsery part of riding one for learning the rules associated with the safety aspect of being on race tracks, ie flags etc.

NZ breeds riders as good as any other country in the whole world, probbally better actually due to our deep down roots of Making things happen when needed, a couple of years on these then 1 or 2 in the 250 production class then 1 year on a bike with fully adjustable suspension and we WILL have a lot more potentuall to produce the next world champion. No disrespect to ones out there cutting a path currently whom are doing a brilliant job, but to head down this route will allow us to mass produce top class riders as such making it a lot more achievable to ones that simply lack the training and family money and backing to get them out there.

It is a big difficult challenge yes, but so was the beggining of building Rome.

[Henk]

Looks like a good idea if it can be made to work. I just had a troll through the MNZ website and I'd never seen the junior road race section before. First step I would think would be to get the rules modified to run the type of bike you want to use, currently only F5 two strokes are in there. Obviously only a problem if you plan to run at MNZ sanctioned events.

[Shaun Harris]

Looks like a good idea if it can be made to work. I just had a troll through the MNZ website and I'd never seen the junior road race section before. First step I would think would be to get the rules modified to run the type of bike you want to use, currently only F5 two strokes are in there. Obviously only a problem if you plan to run at MNZ sanctioned events.

Never-no way ho zay- and nothing at all against MNZ. This is about teaching race craft and rules to youth under 13 so when they arrive at an MNZ Sanctioned meeting to continue on there development and or fun for he sport, they Fully know the safe correct protocol to follow for all involved.


Having said no way ho zay re MNZ, I will be fully in communication with the correct dept to ask for guidance/advise of what they see as critical important aspects to be mentored in from the class room side of this to aid there ( the controlling body) ease of transitioning these riders into the MNZ events in the future.

[RDjase]

Looks like a good idea if it can be made to work. I just had a troll through the MNZ website and I'd never seen the junior road race section before. First step I would think would be to get the rules modified to run the type of bike you want to use, currently only F5 two strokes are in there. Obviously only a problem if you plan to run at MNZ sanctioned events.

Somewhere in the rule book, or in the old rule book maybe there is "young junior road racing" mentioned, or a name like that. 10 to 13 years. It mite be in the mini MX section. I will have a look in the old book and find the rule number

[ajturbo]

You could add Greymouth to the list, the Westland Kart Club will let the track be used for buckets.
Not that it has seen any bucket racing for a while, but I hired the track for a couple of hours to do some
testing a couple of weeks ago.

so what is it like.. is there a hint of a weekend at yours.... with buckets?

[Henk]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-so...g.pdf?sfvrsn=2

This is where I found it. It looks like a new section.
I'd also suggest you follow the buckets on kart tracks rule of if the bike bike falls over no metal touches the ground rule. Be a shame to get up and running only to get chucked off the few tracks you can get access to due to track damage.
It would be a lot easier if you could get bikes that conform to the rules or get the rules to conform to the bikes. If they were MNZ legal I'd let them run on Saturdays at Mt Wellington and if we had enough interest we might be able to squeeze them into the already crowded Sunday program. If they didn't I wouldn't be happy to let them on track due to the nightmare that could ensue if anything went wrong.

Edit rule 22.12

[Shaun Harris]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-so...g.pdf?sfvrsn=2

This is where I found it. It looks like a new section.
I'd also suggest you follow the buckets on kart tracks rule of if the bike bike falls over no metal touches the ground rule. Be a shame to get up and running only to get chucked off the few tracks you can get access to due to track damage.
It would be a lot easier if you could get bikes that conform to the rules or get the rules to conform to the bikes. If they were MNZ legal I'd let them run on Saturdays at Mt Wellington and if we had enough interest we might be able to squeeze them into the already crowded Sunday program. If they didn't I wouldn't be happy to let them on track due to the nightmare that could ensue if anything went wrong.

Edit rule 22.12

Cheers for the input henk. these bikes will more than conform mate trust me on that one.

[mr bucketracer]

I never metioned the dreaded word " class " mate, that is just you reading words into my OP that are not there. I am looking to build an enviroment where KIDS ( Under 13) can be taught and trained : "Race craft" on = quality reliable equipment which the Kayo Minigp bikes are! How do I know that for a " Fact " I have hours and hours of on board footage from a very close friend living in china who has been racing and really abusing them for a couple of years now.

The deal that has been tentatively negotiated for the purchase of 26 units ( The budget is not in place as yet) would have them here and availlable for approx $2000-00 retail for brand new units, and or a fee for the rental of them in a controlled enviroment after going through the school room system a compulsery part of riding one for learning the rules associated with the safety aspect of being on race tracks, ie flags etc.

NZ breeds riders as good as any other country in the whole world, probbally better actually due to our deep down roots of Making things happen when needed, a couple of years on these then 1 or 2 in the 250 production class then 1 year on a bike with fully adjustable suspension and we WILL have a lot more potentuall to produce the next world champion. No disrespect to ones out there cutting a path currently whom are doing a brilliant job, but to head down this route will allow us to mass produce top class riders as such making it a lot more achievable to ones that simply lack the training and family money and backing to get them out there.

It is a big difficult challenge yes, but so was the beggining of building Rome.

i like the idea , i wanted to do that years ago after the small bike racing was stoped at the indoor karts. i think some tennis courts is all thats needed , was going to build some bikes but never happen . think the next size bikes over the pocket bikes are better ie : kides 50cc mx size bikes

[Shaun Harris]

i like the idea , i wanted to do that years ago after the small bike racing was stoped at the indoor karts. i think some tennis courts is all thats needed , was going to build some bikes but never happen . think the next size bikes over the pocket bikes are better ie : kides 50cc mx size bikes

cheers and I just sent you a serious PM mate

[RDjase]

i like the idea , i wanted to do that years ago after the small bike racing was stoped at the indoor karts. i think some tennis courts is all thats needed , was going to build some bikes but never happen . think the next size bikes over the pocket bikes are better ie : kides 50cc mx size bikes

That's what the Young junior road racing mentioned. sounded like pw50 and jr50 with road tyres.

That's what Tyler started on

[RDjase]

22.12 JUNIOR ROAD RACE
22.12.1 Young Junior Road Race riders from their 10th birthday until their 13th birthday shall be allowed to compete in the Young Junior Road Race class.
Junior riders that are eligible to race in Senior Road Race events may continue to race as a Junior in Motocross events up until the date of their 17th birthday.
Junior’s 13 years and over shall be allowed to compete in miniature road racing, 150cc Streetstock, Classic (23.3) and Post Classic (25.6).
In special cases approval may be granted by the Board on an individual basis for a 125GP class. The basis for this approval will be a recommendation from a current top level rider who shall commit to act as mentor to the junior rider until the rider is eligible for a senior licence. All riders are to wear a high visibility vest over their leathers for the first events at which they compete. Proof of these events will be from entries in their log book.
22.12.2 Young Junior road race class riding is intended to be an introduction to the sport of road racing providing an outlet for youthful energies under controlled conditions.
The goals are;
To encourage and support our young riders
Give an introduction to motorcycle riding in the disciplines
Undertake training, coaching and fun day events
Give an introduction to the spirit of racing

I think its a bit diferent than the way it used to be written.

Pacific club were trying to get something going with at buckets years ago, needed the MX juniors on board to change tyres really. But a 10 year old MX rider that has been racing a KTM 50 or 80 wouldnt want to go back to a PW50 learner mx bike to go road racing