The cost of 'safe' drugs?

[Akzle]

The OP topic wasn't about killing animals for human consumption, or just dogs, or saving the planet. It was about needless suffering of animals to satisfy human vainity ( cosmetic industries ), leisure pleasure ( legal highs ) etc. There has to be an alternative.

how would you be if the market was DEregulated. any nigger could sell any shit. as long as what they was selling rhymd wit wat they was sayin. yaaa' mean, dawg?
let people be the monkeys. (they are already)

but hey, that involves some kind of freedom of choice, and making decisions for yourself, fucken self determination yo!
... which, thanks to your government, you're no longer required to do.
so kick back, sip a steaming cup of shut-the-fuck-up-and-vote, and enjoy it.

[Katman]

I didn't realise you were a biomedical scientist. What are the advances made with 'in vitro' testing you talk about? Since when did computer modelling produce more accurate results? How do you define 'accurate' I would be fascinated to read the scientific papers you obtained this information from.
I didnt realise that running a piece of software was more expensive than building, maintaining and staffing an animal research facility, much less breed the necessary animals and care for them in the specified manner.

Well it would appear that the government have accepted that there are viable alternative test methods rather than testing on animals.

Maybe you should fuck off back to your expensive animal research facility.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Well it would appear that the government have accepted that there are viable alternative test methods rather than testing on animals.

Maybe you should fuck off back to your expensive animal research facility.

My point was concerning the development of medical pharmaceuticals not legal highs. Computer modelling cannot replace in vivo testing if this were the case noone would use animal models. I asked you to explain what developments were made in in vitro testing and to define what you meant by 'accurate'. Still waiting.......

oh I see, you told me to fuck off, so that wins the argument, must remember that. We should tell the UN about that ploy, then we could fix the world's problems.

[Katman]

oh I see, you told me to fuck off, so that wins the argument....

Correct.

[Banditbandit]

two fiddy an ounce cuz!

Fuck me - I paid $150 for 50 grams the other day ... 250 AN OUNCE!!! (28 grams) ya rip off Ngā Bush pricks !!!

[SMOKEU]

Fuck me - I paid $150 for 50 grams the other day ... 250 AN OUNCE!!! (28 grams) ya rip off Ngā Bush pricks !!!

Skunks or bush?

[Akzle]

Fuck me - I paid $150 for 50 grams the other day ... 250 AN OUNCE!!! (28 grams) ya rip off Ngā Bush pricks !!!

you mistake me, i don't very often pay for it.

so.... braai at your place then!

[pritch]

Yesterday I had a visitor, a professional currently involved with mental health clients; she was telling me that the psychiatrists are concerned about people suffering withdrawal when the legal highs aren't legal anymore. My response was to the effect that it isn't as if they had bad luck, or that they suffered an unforeseen act of God, they brought the problems on themselves by their own stupidity. Fuck 'em. Darwin rules.

I've got more sympathy for the beagles that might be used for testing through no fault of their own. The animal testing "industry", like the anti-tobacco, the anti-fat, and now the anti-sugar industries, rely largely on Government grants. Leeches the lot of them. Cut the funding, let them find something useful to do with their qualifications.

[blue rider]

i do avoid paknsave (i take my hemp kiti to binn inn. au cuz.) i do not farm all my own meat. i'd like to. i have/would/do kill meat every now and then.
and no, new guy, i don't ride my bike, not at all. sometimes i sit on it and make vroom vroom noises and pretend i'm a big boy, but then i got the internets, so i just jump on and mouth off, so everyone else knows i'm a big boy, too.
no protest. active indifference. your society's problem. good luck.

bet you couldn't so much as skin a rabbit. let alone cook it. fucking poofter.

rabbit in mustard with gnochi
rabbit in a red wine sauce with spaetzle
rabbit in butter milk sauce with bavarian dumplings


the one thing i really really miss in nz is a nice well fed rabbit (skinned, thank ee)

mmmh

[blue rider]

i suggest we just legalize weed, grow it professionally and tax the shit outta it.

no animal testing needed.....

[Akzle]

rabbit in mustard with gnochi
rabbit in a red wine sauce with spaetzle
rabbit in butter milk sauce with bavarian dumplings


the one thing i really really miss in nz is a nice well fed rabbit (skinned, thank ee)

mmmh

come get some. nearly ran over 3 of the bastards tonight.

[RDJ]

There certainly are testing methods that don't require animals. Computer modelling and advances in 'in vitro' testing have made animal testing unnecessary these days. These non-animal testing methods produce far more accurate results as well.

By giving access to testing on animals the government is simply making life easier for the manufacturers.

Nonsense on stilts.

Computer modeling can do a lot. But it cannot reliably predict allergy, teratogenesis or the efficacy of vaccines, to name only three out of very many checks. We still rely on (testing) Reduction and Refinement: Replacement (of all animal testing by other methods) is nowhere yet sufficient.

[Katman]

Nonsense on stilts.

Computer modeling can do a lot. But it cannot reliably predict allergy, teratogenesis or the efficacy of vaccines, to name only three out of very many checks. We still rely on (testing) Reduction and Refinement: Replacement (of all animal testing by other methods) is nowhere yet sufficient.

So you're another one who gets off on torturing animals.

Maybe you should fuck off with Ulsterkiwi.

[SMOKEU]

Why don't we just stop all this animal testing, legalize buds, roll up a fat one, and pass the blunt to the nigga on the left?

[oldrider]

Ahhhh South Park ... the real America!