The cheater MX85 argument. I might be changing my mind.

[kel]

I've done 2 RS framed buckets. One did pass through my hands a couple of years back losing some parts but went out the dor for a couple of hundy & swap for some engineering work. Bucket prices for the lads I believe.

You are a good man supporting the class. While the occasional great buy might come up the majority of RS chassis and parts now cost an arm and a leg. My Chassis which was built up from parts, and I hope the wife never reads this, cost over $3k to complete. And the next one, which will be an NX4, will cost about the same.
This is actually one of the great appeals of buckets, people can spend as much or as little as they want (dollars and time). The bikes can be real racers or stripped down commuters. Allowing MX85's wont change this.

[husaberg]

As you'd expect for NZ #2 125 class eh.


the whole gbox swap argument - if someone really thinks it'll make the difference and wants to put in all the man hours to try and fit one then get amongst it.

Just so everyone is Chrystal clear here "the Cr80 aircooled gearbox is a straight fit in the MB100." It is also illegal under the current rules.

Misunderstanding your quote purpose Husa???


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I quoted you Brent because you had referred to the cost. Seems someone had got the idea i was referring to their post. rather than a lot of others.
I don't feel the time is now either.
I personally it opens up to many cans of worms.I think it needs to have a robust set of rules in place, prior to implementation to ensure fairness.
if it is about cost why not deal with the issues of cost with the current eligible engines and parts.
If it is about opening the sport to a great range of possible newcomers why not look at what it is stopping them currently.

[mr bucketracer]

i don't think this is for ( little johny )to have a cheap way of going racing i read its for little you know who you are that don't want to build anything and have the easy way out.

[Skunk]

To me this is about having access to a reasonable power 2 stoke without having to be a fucking expert or have dyno and large wallet. The lack of something like this is what is KEEPING ME OUT OF THE SPORT!

Go on, tell me if I can't afford to race under the current rules I shouldn't bother.

If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[husaberg]

To me this is about having access to a reasonable power 2 stoke without having to be a fucking expert or have dyno and large wallet. The lack of something like this is what is KEEPING ME OUT OF THE SPORT!


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

i suggested to Scott in a PM .
200cc or something four strokes (2 valve only) non competition based.
He thinks the Aussies have something already in place similar..........
i wonder if that would suit you and lil jonies............

[Skunk]

I don't really care for tailoring for lil johnnies. It's there parents that do the work so it has to suit them.
And can be just like me...
I don't think more and more power is a good thing. I'd like to see a hp limit if anything.

And I don't want a dirty diesel.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[kel]

200cc or something four strokes (2 valve only) non competition based.

Oh dear I know I really shouldn't agree with Husa but what the hell. Yes let the 200cc 2 valvers in as well, same as they allow in Aus!
150cc four strokes - open
100cc 2 stroke non competition - open
200cc - must be single cylinder 2 valvers otherwise open
85cc MX - original bore and stroke to be maintained otherwise open
125cc air coolers - out the door as you're no longer safe enough to compete

[Skunk]

Ok, so 200cc four is ok but an 85cc 2 stroke isn't? WTF?!


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[richban]

The rules need to be sorted. They are out dated.

Don't we all just want a 30hp bucket? So all we do is work back from that number and impose a capacity limit for each engine type so that number can be reached if you want. air cooled 2 stroke air cooled 4 stroke 2 valve 4 valve, water cooled 2 and 4 stroke. Other rules for silly turbos and the like.

I am sure it wouldn't take long for the current, (working in the industry) engine builders and designers we know to sort the rules.

Then it will be updated and sorted. People can then move forward and do what the hell they want. The sport will still not change much at all. Except maybe, there will be more people able to race and develop as racers. What engine you run is up to you. A 190 2 valve long stroke for the kart tracks could be cool. If that is what makes the number. A super light MX85 for the bigger tracks coz its pinned anyway and the engine weighs nothing.

I dunno. These discussions go on and on. Yah got to take a holistic view and look past what it means for you righ now and what the future could be. My last post on the subject. I voted Yes.

[mr bucketracer]

I don't really care for tailoring for lil johnnies. It's there parents that do the work so it has to suit them.
And can be just like me...
I don't think more and more power is a good thing. I'd like to see a hp limit if anything.

And I don't want a dirty diesel.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

tell me why you don't want a clean burning 4 stroker?

[mr bucketracer]

Ok, so 200cc four is ok but an 85cc 2 stroke isn't? WTF?!


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

2 valve.... maybe 180cc l can't remember

[Skunk]

Because I love 2 strokes. Why shouldn't I be able to race one?
4 strokes have gone from 140cc to 160 and multi valve without any change to the old 2 stroke rules


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[F5 Dave]

tell me why you don't want a coal burning 4 stroker?

Because they don't sound like a racebike & don't feel as exciting to ride.

[mr bucketracer]

Because I love 2 strokes. Why shouldn't I be able to race one?
4 strokes have gone from 140cc to 160 and multi valve without any change to the old 2 stroke rules


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

and the four stroke are still slower . bert i'm sure will get you up to speed . i dont mine if you race your 400 out there (-;

[F5 Dave]

Edit fixed it for ya

Because I love 2 strokes. Why shouldn't I be able to race one?
4 strokes have gone from 125cc to 140, to 150, to 158 and multi valve without any change to the old 2 stroke rules


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.