The cheater MX85 argument. I might be changing my mind.

[Pumba]

45 pages in less than 3 weeks - there's plenty of interest in the topic.

As usual there is never going to be total agreement. It might be worth checking with the race organisers to see if they'd be allowed out if anyone turned up with one. Seems like a possibility, in Wellington anyway. That would be a good way to determine their performance without all the hypothetical cow excrement. If anyone has a motor in Auckland i'd be interested in chucking something together for a bit of a try.

20 odd pages back Mike

Nope........

You can take that as anything you like
The problem with running non legal bikes for no points is that as mentioned above they can get involved in dices with people that are playing by the rules and screw up their race.
We had similar issues with the combined C and F5 races which is why we ended up splitting them.

I have no issue with someone building one as a proof of concept and I believe sketchy has already done this. I'd let them run at practice at Mt Welly but not in a race until they are legal.
I'm not sure what this would prove though, we know it can be done. The cynical bastard in me also says that anyone building one of these so that we can evaluate it is going to be firmly in the camp of wanting them in, they are hardly going to build something as fast as possible to start with, more likely to be a stock engine to start with and then start with the tuning once it's all go.
I can understand why people want these in, I'm just not all that convinced that we need it at the moment.

[F5 Dave]

Who started this shift fight anyway? Clearly not in the spirit of buckets

[gav]

OK couldnt keep up trying to read this thread, oh wait, thats just like on the track ....
F4 = Four stroke class up to 160cc (no competition engines)
F5 = Two stroke class, 125 air cooled, up to 100cc water cooled.

Sorted ..... next

[gav]

MX85 = cheap class? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-734926376.htm
errr not sure about that !!
Luring Juniors over you think, so Junior has his $4K 85cc MXer, he then buys some motard wheels ($1500) for it, and turns up to race ...
Really? Not sure about other clubs but here at MCI he could probably borrow a club RG150, race in Streetsport / Development class, maybe get offered a 250 Ninja for the 250 Proddy, then sell his MXer and buys his own 250.
I wouldnt see expect to see too many, if any, MX juniors rocking up with there 85cc MXers.
What I would expect to see is a few old fossils parking up there FXR's and seeing what a 2 stroke is like.
There are still plenty of FXR's for sale on Trade Me along with CBR125's , CBR150's Yamaha R15's etc
I'm not sure we really need the 85cc MXers, but certainly not adverse to the idea. Not sure how/where the 200cc 2 valve suddenly got added. Just one at a time aye .....

[Mental Trousers]

Not sure how/where the 200cc 2 valve suddenly got added. Just one at a time aye .....

That was thrown in by people trying to muddy the waters a bit, eg if they're gonna be let in why not have (insert something ridiculous here).

But, 200cc 2 valves is a different discussion. Anyone want to start that thread??

[kel]

That was thrown in by people trying to muddy the waters

No, simply putting forward the Aussie format that seems to work so well. 85 water cooled, vs 150 4 valvers, vs 200cc single air cooled 2 valvers. Each engine type is represented in their top 10 results. http://www.ozbucketracing.com/2014/d...ampionship.pdf Yeah, yeah, not Australia, what would they know, blah blah blah
We still have our 100cc non comp water cooler 2 strokes that should dominate, thats what really muddies the waters but as they have always been there ... long may they stay

Take a quick look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6nMm2Y9CJ0#t=254 fast forward to 3min 20 for 85 vs 150 head to head down the straight. Now tell me thats not an even match up on the big track! The way that 85 revs through the box gives me shivers.

[mr bucketracer]

No, simply putting forward the Aussie format that seems to work so well. 85 water cooled, vs 150 4 valvers, vs 200cc single air cooled 2 valvers. Each engine type is represented in their top 10 results. http://www.ozbucketracing.com/2014/d...ampionship.pdf Yeah, yeah, not Australia, what would they know, blah blah blah
We still have our 100cc non comp water cooler 2 strokes that should dominate, thats what really muddies the waters but as they have always been there ... long may they stay

Take a quick look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6nMm2Y9CJ0#t=254 fast forward to 3min 20 for 85 vs 150 head to head down the straight. Now tell me thats not an even match up on the big track! The way that 85 revs through the box gives me shivers.

going of the stinger size and muffer out let of the white bike its also is a 85 , the four strokes are the ones been laped lol . good video

[kel]

going of the stinger size and muffer out let of the white bike its also is a 85 , the four strokes are the ones been laped lol . good video

The green bike with the big fat exhaust

[mr bucketracer]

The green bike with the big fat exhaust

it keeped jumping to over 4 mins but it work this time , looks like the bike craped itself but was going fast . i did not know they run mx four strokes over there

[CHOPPA]

MX85 = cheap class? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-734926376.htm
errr not sure about that !!
Luring Juniors over you think, so Junior has his $4K 85cc MXer, he then buys some motard wheels ($1500) for it, and turns up to race ...
Really? Not sure about other clubs but here at MCI he could probably borrow a club RG150, race in Streetsport / Development class, maybe get offered a 250 Ninja for the 250 Proddy, then sell his MXer and buys his own 250.
I wouldnt see expect to see too many, if any, MX juniors rocking up with there 85cc MXers.
What I would expect to see is a few old fossils parking up there FXR's and seeing what a 2 stroke is like.
There are still plenty of FXR's for sale on Trade Me along with CBR125's , CBR150's Yamaha R15's etc
I'm not sure we really need the 85cc MXers, but certainly not adverse to the idea. Not sure how/where the 200cc 2 valve suddenly got added. Just one at a time aye .....

I think you would be surprised. The Jnr MX kids could turn up with some road tyres on their spare set of rims, chuck some nylon on the bike. On a Kart track it would be a lot of fun, good practice.

[richban]

Thread dredging sorry.

But sort of relevant. So how is the Derbi 80 kit legal again?

Just asking coz I think an AM6 engine with a 90cc kit would be quite the little beast. The answers from my question I can then repeat when asked at a later date.

[timg]

Thread dredging sorry.

But sort of relevant. So how is the Derbi 80 kit legal again?

Just asking coz I think an AM6 engine with a 90cc kit would be quite the little beast. The answers from my question I can then repeat when asked at a later date.

Ya not turning to the dark side are ya? http://taromoto.en.alibaba.com/produ...li_engine.html

[goose8]

Thread dredging sorry.

But sort of relevant. So how is the Derbi 80 kit legal again?

Just asking coz I think an AM6 engine with a 90cc kit would be quite the little beast. The answers from my question I can then repeat when asked at a later date.

Don't mind the motor but don't get a rs chassis then you would of gone full circle an turn into a homo haha anyway what am I saying there banning them next year .

[Henk]

Don't mind the motor but don't get a rs chassis then you would of gone full circle an turn into a homo haha anyway what am I saying there banning them next year .

RS wheels are out as well I believe.

[goose8]

RS wheels are out as well I believe.

Cool as I would happy to take them off if they ban the chassis