Is it too easy for tourists to come here and kill people?

[Laava]

Er, codswallop.

Like this?

[Berries]

The problem with your theory is that traffic on all side roads are often obscured by hedges and trees and you would have to stop and give way at all those intersections too. So while it has theoretical merit in practise it would be unworkable on all roads.

My theory? My general comment was in direct response to you bringing up some rubbish you read in another forum about this particular crash.

[FJRider]

For those interested ... and those not familiar with Thomsons track in Canterbury where the three deaths occurred.

Google maps ... the direction the Kiwi driver was traveling was right to left on Thomsons track....

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Som...merton+Rd&z=17

[oneblackflag]

You can't even quote post in the forums properly ... and you expect us to take you seriously as someone with some degree of intelligence.

A big FAIL in both regards ...

Let he who is without sin cast the firt stone.... (Cause you fucked up your quoting to eh)

[Virago]

For those interested ... and those not familiar with Thomsons track in Canterbury where the three deaths occurred.

Google maps ... the direction the Kiwi driver was traveling was right to left on Thomsons track....

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?q=Som...merton+Rd&z=17

Interesting. The street view shows no hedges etc impeding view. Both drivers should have been able see the other approaching?

[Akzle]

Let he who is without sin cast the firt stone.... (Cause you fucked up your quoting to eh)

you sir, have just been trolled.

[oneblackflag]

you sir, have just been trolled.

Good grief..... Nooooo!

[FJRider]

Interesting. The street view shows no hedges etc impeding view. Both drivers should have been able see the other approaching?

Judging by the location of the car in the photos at the crash scene (they were going to the ski-field)... the tourist was on Somerton road travailing from south to north. Possibly intending to turn onto Thomsons track. Little chance of the sun obscuring the stop signs.

[jonbuoy]

2.6 million tourists visited NZ in 2013 - you would think at least half of them hired some sort of vehicle so are the stats that bad?

[bogan]

But only one could reasonably have assumed (having right of way) they were not on a collision course. How do you guys know that you would have necessarily have slowed down having right of way unless of course its a habitual thing you do when you have right of way at all intersections.

Defensive Riding.

When two vehicles are moving towards an intersection point, the one with the right of way should apply something similar to a half deceleration rate to the vehicle that must yeild. Ie, if they haven't started slowing down when they are twice as far away from the intersection as you would need to do an e-stop, then you should start slowing and be prepared to do one of your own.
That is the absolute basic stuff btw, a rider should always look for other vehicle cues which indicate driver's intent.

[george formby]

2.6 million tourists visited NZ in 2013 - you would think at least half of them hired some sort of vehicle so are the stats that bad?

You're on my Christmas card list.

[FJRider]

No ski fields are open yet.

I never said they were. But that IS where they WERE reported as going to ... Do you not read the papers ...

In the New Zealand Herald ..

"A 52-year-old Dutch tourist has been charged over the crash after allegedly driving through ... crossed the centreline and collided with the 4-wheel-drive she was travelling ... away with two other families to the Ohau ski area in the Mackenzie Basin."

[Virago]

2.6 million tourists visited NZ in 2013 - you would think at least half of them hired some sort of vehicle so are the stats that bad?

It's fair to say that this weekend is a statistical anomaly. But those of us who live in or regularly travel the South Island tourist routes all have too many near-miss horror stories.

[Virago]

Defensive Riding.

When two vehicles are moving towards an intersection point, the one with the right of way should apply something similar to a half deceleration rate to the vehicle that must yeild. Ie, if they haven't started slowing down when they are twice as far away from the intersection as you would need to do an e-stop, then you should start slowing and be prepared to do one of your own.
That is the absolute basic stuff btw, a rider should always look for other vehicle cues which indicate driver's intent.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

This.

Cassina, if you still don't get it, there's no hope for you.

[FJRider]

Defensive Riding.

When two vehicles are moving towards an intersection point, the one with the right of way should apply something similar to a half deceleration rate to the vehicle that must yeild. Ie, if they haven't started slowing down when they are twice as far away from the intersection as you would need to do an e-stop, then you should start slowing and be prepared to do one of your own.
That is the absolute basic stuff btw, a rider should always look for other vehicle cues which indicate driver's intent.

When the act of slowing may save your life, at the expense of a few seconds ... if there is suspicion the other driver may not give way ... I have and will continue to do so.

On a number of occasions it HAS worked.

Those that trust an unknown stranger to do the right thing ... on the premise that THEIR right of way is THEIR guarantee no harm will come to them ... good luck to them.