Speeding facts vs fiction

**admenk** · 5th June 2014, 20:03

Originally Posted by Erelyes

Because half the cunts on the road that got their licence in a weet-bix packet

nah, I got mine after collecting tokens from packets of Frosties

**FJRider** · 5th June 2014, 20:10

Originally Posted by The Reibz

Fact: If you speed you will get to your destination faster

sometimes ... not

**Dave-** · 5th June 2014, 20:19

Sometimes I wonder if our speed limits are too low, then I remember the people who change lanes through intersections, fail to signal, fail to give way, and generally display a complete lack of ability to safely operate a vehicle. These people are the reason we have speed limits.

You, I and a disproportionate number of people who visit these forums probably have the ability to safely travel a bit faster than the posted speed limit. However more people than all the people on this forum cannot, and this is why we have speed limits.

I'm scared enough of the fuckwits on NZ roads let alone letting them go 50km/h faster.

**TheDemonLord** · 5th June 2014, 20:43

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

In 50 years time when we are deemed too reckless/feckless to control a vehicle ourselves I wonder if people will look back and wonder how we we ever accepted 1.2 million people a year dying from car accidents? And some people get nervous about flying!

Why is there no motorway/skid pan training as part of the driving test?

Why are we not tested every 5 years?

I personally agree 100% about Skid pan training should be required - In the same way that Sweden has:

however - Testing every 5 years - sure if the Govt pays for it and I can take the test afterhours or on a Saturday/Sunday - but if not, I am not going to pay to be retested at my inconvenience.

**schrodingers cat** · 5th June 2014, 20:48

What I know is that when things go bad, at a lower speed there is less energy to dissipate.

**scumdog** · 5th June 2014, 20:49

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

however - Testing every 5 years - sure if the Govt pays for it and I can take the test afterhours or on a Saturday/Sunday - but if not, I am not going to pay to be retested at my inconvenience.

And that folks, is the crux of the matter - everybody thinks regular retesting etc is a 'good-idea' (tm).

But nobody wants to pay for it.

And non-licenced types will still be just that.

**rustic101** · 5th June 2014, 21:18

Originally Posted by Dave-

, then I remember the people who change lanes through intersections, fail to signal, fail to give way, and generally display a complete lack of ability to safely operate a vehicle. You, I and a disproportionate number of people who visit these forums probably have the ability to safely travel a bit faster than the posted speed limit. I'm scared enough of the fuckwits on NZ roads let alone letting them go 50km/h faster.

Bang on Dave well said. My 5c worth for what its worth.I'm not anti speed, in fact far from it. Individuals need to realise there are consequences for behaviours and actions. I'm fucking sick of seeing a raft of people killed or suffering because of theirs or others momentary stupidity. I've watched pedestrians get hit at 110kph, car v car head ons and recently a car v motorcycle meet at speed - I wont describe in detail but will tell you its a sickening feeling seeing a top box travel 60 meters into the air and travel three hundred meters. For me I don't care who is at fault - I care that people are killing or maiming each other and that others have to attend these crashes, witness the effects and deal with the aftereffects to one extent or the other. At times this can be in excess of 300 people indirectly involved in one crash. Its heartbreaking at times!If you are ever in Wellington and would like to see first hand, let me know and I'm happy to visually educate rather than entertain or amuse. I promise it wont be like watching some russian youtube clip where you have a chuckle its about people we share the roads with in NZ, people that could kill you or visa versa.

**Erelyes** · 5th June 2014, 21:29

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I am not going to pay to be retested at my inconvenience.

The same government makes your employer give you four weeks' annual leave, minimum. Out of those 100 days over 5 years I think you could spare half of one...

Me, meanwhile, I shouldn't have to cos I'm already a fucking awesome driver. It's just all these other idiots

**haydes55** · 5th June 2014, 21:50

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

I personally agree 100% about Skid pan training should be required - In the same way that Sweden has:

however - Testing every 5 years - sure if the Govt pays for it and I can take the test afterhours or on a Saturday/Sunday - but if not, I am not going to pay to be retested at my inconvenience.

Yet you happily go every 6 months to get a WoF for each vehicle you own, you can't spare 1 hour for a licence test?

I have never been tested how well I can drive/ride. I've never had to show anyone that I have any driving/riding skill above following basic road rules.

I'd happily do a proper driving test annually. I won't see another licence test for another decade.... Yet I'm supposed to be trusted to not forget a single road rule, I'm supposed to just change my driving and adjust to new road rules without any consequence if I decide to ignore basic road etiquette/rules.

Look at the round about indicating for example. If you go straight through, you indicate left before exiting the round about. Yet 9/10 people fuck it up, people either don't indicate at all, indicate right, or indicate right then left. How dumb do you have to be to not know how to go straight through a round about? Dumb enough that I'd prefer to see proof they can still drive.

**Scuba_Steve** · 5th June 2014, 21:58

Originally Posted by Dave-

Sometimes I wonder if our speed limits are too low, then I remember the people who change lanes through intersections, fail to signal, fail to give way, and generally display a complete lack of ability to safely operate a vehicle. These people are the reason we have speed limits.

You, I and a disproportionate number of people who visit these forums probably have the ability to safely travel a bit faster than the posted speed limit. However more people than all the people on this forum cannot, and this is why we have speed limits.

I'm scared enough of the fuckwits on NZ roads let alone letting them go 50km/h faster.

But a main cause of these people being bad is that they haven't had to think for themselves in the past 20yrs & while you're worried about these idiots going faster I'm more worried that you would rather have them & they're being forced to steer at a speedo rather than the road.

**swbarnett** · 5th June 2014, 22:11

Originally Posted by paturoa

Please can we have more fences at the top.

No bloody way. I like the view thank you very much.

**Dave-** · 5th June 2014, 22:46

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

But a main cause of these people being bad is that they haven't had to think for themselves in the past 20yrs & while you're worried about these idiots going faster I'm more worried that you would rather have them & they're being forced to steer at a speedo rather than the road.

Why would they stare at their speedo?

The word is stare by the way.

**Urano** · 6th June 2014, 04:02

i dedicated a little study on the subject, and grossly agree with the guy of the website.
it is true that the safest conduction is to set your speed at 85 percentile of car flow around you.
it is true that todays vehicles are able to manage higher speeds and energies
it is true that governments use speed fines as a form of taxation and that a more focused road design as well as more effective license process would be much more effective in securing our safety

BUT

it is also true that a pedestrian has no airbags nor abs, still many geniuses can't understand the difference between an open road (where you could go a bit faster remaining reasonably safe) and a city street (where you can kill someone else at every angle...)
i remain of the idea that what we really need is rethinking licensing programs...

**TheDemonLord** · 6th June 2014, 07:33

Originally Posted by Erelyes

The same government makes your employer give you four weeks' annual leave, minimum. Out of those 100 days over 5 years I think you could spare half of one...

Me, meanwhile, I shouldn't have to cos I'm already a fucking awesome driver. It's just all these other idiots

Those days are for me, not for the government.

Yet you happily go every 6 months to get a WoF for each vehicle you own, you can't spare 1 hour for a licence test?

Look at the round about indicating for example. If you go straight through, you indicate left before exiting the round about. Yet 9/10 people fuck it up, people either don't indicate at all, indicate right, or indicate right then left. How dumb do you have to be to not know how to go straight through a round about? Dumb enough that I'd prefer to see proof they can still drive.

I can go for a Warrant on Saturdays and with some garages, afterhours (by appointment) currently licence testing was between 7:00 am and 3:30 pm - if you start work at around 8 - this leaves you no time to be able to do it - and unlike a Warrant, you can't just drop the car off and pick it up on your lunch break.

I agree regarding the roundabout - that said, it used to say in the road code that you indicate right to join the roundabout and then left to exit - which is why some people indicate right then left - I used to do it, because that is what it said to do when I took my test - apparently that was changed recently that you only have to indicate left when exiting the roundabout if going straight through.