The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[mashman]

agreed but of whom did this morality come from ?

Mine are a bit ...errm loose, so one hope it wasnt mine that are used as the universal standard

Stephen

Morality is easy (basic respect for life that every other being on this planet displays). Don't fuck people over. The End.

Given what passes for morality these days, I'd take yours over many others... so the standard is your own to set/adopt.

[Oscar]

HDC has beaten me to it but the general answer is- Politics. Republics have elections for Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They have power and influence, a whole staff structure, residences and vehicles etc etc and are politically motivated.

By comparison the Crown is remote and apolitical. Neutral. And cheap.

Think of it like this:

President James Bolger

President Helen Clark

President David Cunliffe

President Jerry Brownlee - ok enough I feel ill.

Who actually picks the GG?

[Oscar]

I have a right to all of it. I am a human being that participates in your charade, I mean society, and will avail myself of what I will, as I can afford and choose (which is how it seems to work, foolishly). Or something like that. Democracy doesn't exist. Owning property?

I might well do that some day... apart from the anal.
I'm like nothing you will have ever encountered before by the sounds of it... and your list.

Au contraire, mon ami, I meet blowhards who talk a good game all the time.
You moan and bitch about the system, yet you participate in the bits that you enjoy.
You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote, and more importantly have never attempted to put your views out there for consideration.
You hate democracy because you can't stand the thought that most people will reject your theories.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

[Oscar]

Do they have intention to pay it back
If not the contract is broken
Stephen

Sent from my SC-01F using Tapatalk

So it's OK for me to stop paying my mortgage on the basis that I intend to pay it back one day?

[mashman]

Au contraire, mon ami, I meet blowhards who talk a good game all the time.
You moan and bitch about the system, yet you participate in the bits that you enjoy.
You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote, and more importantly have never attempted to put your views out there for consideration.
You hate democracy because you can't stand the thought that most people will reject your theories.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

I'm sure you do...
So?
I have put my views out there for consideration. It takes time.
I hate democracy? Oh dear.

So?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Who actually picks the GG?

https://gg.govt.nz/role


Its quite fascinating to me. Basically this whole system evolved ad hoc over centuries. I am amazed constantly that it works as well as it does.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Au contraire, mon ami, I meet blowhards who talk a good game all the time.
You moan and bitch about the system, yet you participate in the bits that you enjoy.
You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote, and more importantly have never attempted to put your views out there for consideration.
You hate democracy because you can't stand the thought that most people will reject your theories.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

well, thinking is a bit strong IMO. Because thinking implies rational consideration, and a possibility of an evolution or alteration of position. A lot of these numpties are about as much fun to argue with as religious zealots. Which is to say, not much at all.

[Voltaire]

HDC has beaten me to it but the general answer is- Politics. Republics have elections for Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They have power and influence, a whole staff structure, residences and vehicles etc etc and are politically motivated.

By comparison the Crown is remote and apolitical. Neutral. And cheap.

Think of it like this:

President James Bolger

President Helen Clark

President David Cunliffe

President Jerry Brownlee - ok enough I feel ill.

Ireland is a Republic and they have a President but also a Prime Minister.
Are their any advantages in 'the crown"?
- saving us having to produce a new currency
- Flag is kinda Austin Powers cool
- um..... oh that stupid Privy Council.....its like going off and asking Mum when Dad says no.

[mashman]

well, thinking is a bit strong IMO. Because thinking implies rational consideration, and a possibility of an evolution or alteration of position. A lot of these numpties are about as much fun to argue with as religious zealots. Which is to say, not much at all.

@ no rational consideration... I've already changed my mind, therefore not only have I applied rational consideration, I would also class myself as having evolved and given that I have changed my mind, I have also altered my position. Basically, you're wrong and most likely not listening because you are incapable of thinking. Sweet irony.

The big difference, chum, is that I know both sides whereas you teeth gnashing oxygen stealing morons only know the 1 side and defend that one side from a position of complete ignorance. So, when you've contemplated and understood (which will require that you think) both sides, then you may well have an informed opinion instead of the usual KB platitude spewing fuckknucklness.

[HenryDorsetCase]

@ no rational consideration... I've already changed my mind, therefore not only have I applied rational consideration, I would also class myself as having evolved and given that I have changed my mind, I have also altered my position. Basically, you're wrong and most likely not listening because you are incapable of thinking. Sweet irony.

The big difference, chum, is that I know both sides whereas you teeth gnashing oxygen stealing morons only know the 1 side and defend that one side from a position of complete ignorance. So, when you've contemplated and understood (which will require that you think) both sides, then you may well have an informed opinion instead of the usual KB platitude spewing fuckknucklness.

Ad hominem does not make your "Argument" stronger. just saying.

I'll get back to gnashing my teeth and stealing your oxygen now.

The one thing I would say is that you libertarinist wonks entirely miss the point. Your philosophy would work if you were the last person alive in the world, or if all the other people who were alive shared your capacity, capability, skillset and outlook on life. You could all live together on an island, and not interact with anyone whose views differed from your own.

But society, and in particular modern society does not work that way. As, of course, you well know. So if we have people who need are less capable, for example the intellectually handicapped, they have no place in your society. because they cannot be self reliant and they never will.

What reasonable people do, and have done, is decided, on a society-wide level, "Well, we'll accept some diminution of our theoretical individual rights, on the basis that people less able than us get looked after." At heart, that is the social contract. Of course that system is flawed, of course there are exceptions and failures and omissions and all of that: it is a system which is run by and for people.

If your philosophy is so great, then why don't you live it? you do, after all, partake of its benefits, day in, day out. It is hypocrisy at its basest, and very distatsteful. It is also intellectually dishonest.

[oldrider]

- um..... oh that stupid Privy Council.....its like going off and asking Mum when Dad says no.

And the New Zealand Supreme Court is something different? ..................... How?

Except we have to pay for it even when we don't need it or are not using it, the poms do that for the privy council!

[Brian d marge]

So it's OK for me to stop paying my mortgage on the basis that I intend to pay it back one day?

try it and see

that then becomes an issue between you and your bank and the time limit for not paying , one would assume , would be in the fine print of the document u signed

but the paying one and a half guineas back to victoria uni wouldnt require one to default I could imagine


Stephen

[Akzle]

Of course we are all beholden to the system which governs the society in which we are a part of.

we've been here before.
YOUR SOCIETY'S definitino of society, is one which requires mutual consent. (consideration and determination towards common goals.)
i do not consent, i do not considerate with your society, certainly then i don't determine, and i reject throughly the "goals" (money, jew shit, et al)
so, riddle me this, am i part of your society? am i governed? beholden?

You don't want to bow to the system we all do, then fuck right off. Or try crossing it, go on, see what happens when you assert your right to every single thing on this planet without any charge

mmm.
man> system. (first in time is best at law =P ) so. no, if that were the case, the system should fuck off.

You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote,

surely, you have a right not to vote?
surely, you have a right to self determination, not to be forced to pick some fuckwit to make your decisions for you?
or is that not the case?

that most people will reject your theories.

ahh, many. i'd not say most just yet.
except that i'd say most people are ignorant, if not fucking stupid.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

hey, i get a lot of masturbation done too.

So it's OK for me to stop paying my mortgage on the basis that I intend to pay it back one day?

no. althoughif you are interested in pursuing "not paying your mortgage, there are methods.

What reasonable people do, and have done, is decided, on a society-wide level, "Well, we'll accept some diminution of our theoretical individual rights, on the basis that people less able than us get looked after." At heart, that is the social contract. Of course that system is flawed, of course there are exceptions and failures and omissions and all of that: it is a system which is run by and for people.

If your philosophy is so great, then why don't you live it? you do, after all, partake of its benefits, day in, day out. It is hypocrisy at its basest, and very distatsteful. It is also intellectually dishonest.

i personally accept no diminution of my rights (as prescribed by god), for anyone, let alone retards. cold? darwinian?
boo fucking hoo, if i was part of your society, you'd have to accept my opinion, because not doing so is socially irresponsible. - see, that's the worst thing of it, is that in haveing a right to free speech, you have a duty to listen to others with serious consideration.
the former is exercised freely, the latter rarely.

i do "live it", not to the extent you might insist on, but certainly far greater than any societally invovled citizen, who has been brainwashed (much the same as you) to believe what you believe.

it started at school didn't it... you're only allowed to eat when the bell rings... this is your name, you must stand up when it is called.... don't question the higher authority... you've just carried it through to society wide fuckwittery, without question.

communism's : "from each according to his abiltiy, to each according to his need"
which is jew-enated to "from everyone, to the jews, and meet just enough of the need to stop them realising they're being fleeced and doing anything about it"


TL: DR?
fucken gews.

[bogan]

we've been here before.
YOUR SOCIETY'S definitino of society, is one which requires mutual consent. (consideration and determination towards common goals.)
i do not consent, i do not considerate with your society, certainly then i don't determine, and i reject throughly the "goals" (money, jew shit, et al)
so, riddle me this, am i part of your society? am i governed? beholden?

Yup, our society extends over all New Zealand lands. That you haven't specifically opted in is simply not relevant. Or to put it simply; you will be forced to comply with our society while you are here, because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people; constitutionally speaking.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Dear Mr Akzle.

Its not your society, or my society. It is OUR society. Even you, you wild and raging loner on the last bus out of nowhere city, with your copy of Atlas Shrugged in one hand and The Fountainhead in the otheer, even though you say you arent, you really are.

I have grown to really dislike your bigotry. That's it, we're done.