The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Akzle]

Yup, our society extends over all New Zealand lands. That you haven't specifically opted in is simply not relevant. Or to put it simply; you will be forced to comply with our society while you are here, because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people; constitutionally speaking.

1) no constitution (fuck me, does it echo in here?)
2) mandate of the people eh... which people? and what choices were they given? not even half of those eligible to vote chose the current bunch, hardly a mandate. 100% of those who vote weren't given the option to set all the politicians on fire.
freedom of choice eh...

Dear Mr Akzle.

Its not your society, or my society. It is OUR society. Even you, you wild and raging loner on the last bus out of nowhere city, with your copy of Atlas Shrugged in one hand and The Fountainhead in the otheer, even though you say you arent, you really are.

I have grown to really dislike your bigotry. That's it, we're done.

thus neatly avoiding having to deal with any issues or questions raised.
top job.

[oldrider]

Yup, our society extends over all New Zealand lands. That you haven't specifically opted in is simply not relevant. Or to put it simply; you will be forced to comply with our society while you are here, because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people; constitutionally speaking.

Our society? ... You will be forced to comply! ... Because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people! ... Doesn't sound like a nice society!

We need less government, less enforcement of meaningless laws, more cooperation between the people and the "elected enforcers" and more realisation that the elected enforcers actually work for the electors ... not the other way around!

Our society is actually very very sick and over my seventy four years I have observed consecutive government pretenders feeding the sickness rather than curing it!

Time to take OUR society back, we could begin by fostering positive thoughts and utterences of exactly what the "our society" looks like!

I guess we could start by respecting each others right to our individuality!

They say a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link so I guess we stop supporting our societies weakest link at our peril!

[bogan]

1) no constitution (fuck me, does it echo in here?)
2) mandate of the people eh... which people? and what choices were they given? not even half of those eligible to vote chose the current bunch, hardly a mandate. 100% of those who vote weren't given the option to set all the politicians on fire.
freedom of choice eh...

Established precedents count, hence why I said constitutionally. We don't vote on the constitution or mandate to enforce it every three years. The mere act of going through a vote is compliance with it.

Our society? ... You will be forced to comply! ... Because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people! ... Doesn't sound like a nice society!

We need less government, less enforcement of meaningless laws, more cooperation between the people and the "elected enforcers" and more realisation that the elected enforcers actually work for the electors ... not the other way around!

Our society is actually very very sick and over my seventy four years I have observed consecutive government pretenders feeding the sickness rather than curing it!

Time to take OUR society back, we could begin by fostering positive thoughts and utterences of exactly what the "our society" looks like!

I guess we could start by respecting each others right to our individuality!

They say a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link so I guess we stop supporting our societies weakest link at our peril!

What would you prefer? criminals allowed to run amok because we lack the mandate to enforce order? The sounds decidedly even more un-nice.

We need better govt, sure, but so does everybody else. In terms of affecting positive change, I think we should focus on ensuring the govt represents the will and interests of the people; we are not too far gone that this is an insurmountable task, or that a more drastic action is required.

[Brian d marge]

Established precedents count, hence why I said constitutionally. We don't vote on the constitution or mandate to enforce it every three years. The mere act of going through a vote is compliance with it.



What would you prefer? criminals allowed to run amok because we lack the mandate to enforce order? The sounds decidedly even more un-nice.

We need better govt, sure, but so does everybody else. In terms of affecting positive change, I think we should focus on ensuring the govt represents the will and interests of the people; we are not too far gone that this is an insurmountable task, or that a more drastic action is required.

how does one go about being a criminal.

Stephen

[bogan]

how does one go about being a criminal.

Stephen

It's like that pickup line I heard the other day;

"Is your dad in jail?"
"What? No"
"Cos if I was your dad I'd be going to jail"

Ie, do something that society agrees is a criminal act.

[Akzle]

The mere act of going through a vote is compliance with it.

i do not vote. ergo....? i don't comply? i don't mandate?

What would you prefer? criminals allowed to run amok because we lack the mandate to enforce order? The sounds decidedly even more un-nice..

becuase the law stops so much crime right now.....

fun facts with bob:
1) you cannot legislate against intent
2) you cannot legislate against accidents.

have fun.

how does one go about being a criminal.

Stephen

for a crime to have been commited, a party must be injured.

[bogan]

i do not vote. ergo....? i don't comply? i don't mandate?

I think you are under the illusion that it is all about you. Society goes through the voting process, members of society (which you are) can choose to vote or not (which you chose not to). The constitutional process has been performed, and mandates given.

becuase the law stops so much crime right now.....

Yes, it does, obviously.

[Ocean1]

The one thing I would say is that you libertarinist wonks entirely miss the point.

What on Dog’s green earth gave you the idea mushmate was libertarian?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, free) is a classification of political philosophies that uphold liberty as a principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment."

See, assuming entitlement to whatever the fuck you want on the basis that everything is yours by right from berth, (just… ‘cause) and blaming everyone else for not making that happen doesn’t really fit in there does it?

So what you’ve got there is a missive from one of the largest political groups from the other end of the spectrum: the “Want it all, now, and someone else can pay for it” outfit.

It is also intellectually dishonest.

No, no, give ‘im ‘is dues, he wants The Bin Man to be paid no less than a nuclear rocket surgeon, which is only a fair suck of the sav.

Or it would be if he was paying The Bin Man himself, rather than expecting all us nuclear rocket surgeons to pay him.

[Akzle]

I think you are under the illusion that it is all about you. Society goes through the voting process, members of society (which you are) can choose to vote or not (which you chose not to). The constitutional process has been performed, and mandates given.



Yes, it does, obviously.

again, you're relying on the premise that i AM part of society. Im not. By your society's definition, im not.
So, society can vote its ass off.
Has nothing to do with me.

So, how is it you continue to insist im part of society? (The same ignorance that perpetuates said society, i bet)

[bogan]

again, you're relying on the premise that i AM part of society. Im not. By your society's definition, im not.
So, society can vote its ass off.
Has nothing to do with me.

So, how is it you continue to insist im part of society? (The same ignorance that perpetuates said society, i bet)

Then you have read my definition wrong.

You say you're not? Try going out and pissing on a cops boots, try starting a weed farm, etc, etc, whether you (or we) like it or not, you are a part of our society; you live on our societies lands, you interact without society at an individual level etc etc.

[mashman]

Ad hominem does not make your "Argument" stronger. just saying.

Ignore it and stop being precious.

I'll get back to gnashing my teeth and stealing your oxygen now.

You have as much right to oxygen as I have and so does the black spastic quadriplegic baby down the road.

The one thing I would say is that you libertarinist wonks entirely miss the point. Your philosophy would work if you were the last person alive in the world, or if all the other people who were alive shared your capacity, capability, skillset and outlook on life. You could all live together on an island, and not interact with anyone whose views differed from your own.

But society, and in particular modern society does not work that way. As, of course, you well know. So if we have people who need are less capable, for example the intellectually handicapped, they have no place in your society. because they cannot be self reliant and they never will.

What reasonable people do, and have done, is decided, on a society-wide level, "Well, we'll accept some diminution of our theoretical individual rights, on the basis that people less able than us get looked after." At heart, that is the social contract. Of course that system is flawed, of course there are exceptions and failures and omissions and all of that: it is a system which is run by and for people.

If your philosophy is so great, then why don't you live it? you do, after all, partake of its benefits, day in, day out. It is hypocrisy at its basest, and very distatsteful. It is also intellectually dishonest.

Whilst there are characteristics of libertarianism in my "philosophy", luuuuuuve luuuve love dum de dum de dum, I'm not a libertarian. I'm a commy pinko hiding under yer bed cunt... allegedly.

It's quite simple. Everyone should be looked after based on need and not the amount of money that they have available to themselves. That covers a wide spectrum of everything.

I do live my philosophy (tis called day to day living). However my thoughts about the financial system are not philosophical ones, they're practical ones. It has to go. It has served it's purpose. Time for human beings to get their shit together and deal with everything without having to deal with anything that is financially related. Make no mistake, I spent 37 years immersed in your society, and it's shite given the tools available. It's uber shite in comparison to a Resource Based Economy and the society it would produce.

[mashman]

What on Dog’s green earth gave you the idea mushmate was libertarian?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, free) is a classification of political philosophies that uphold liberty as a principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment."

See, assuming entitlement to whatever the fuck you want on the basis that everything is yours by right from berth, (just… ‘cause) and blaming everyone else for not making that happen doesn’t really fit in there does it?

So what you’ve got there is a missive from one of the largest political groups from the other end of the spectrum: the “Want it all, now, and someone else can pay for it” outfit.

ding, next.

No, no, give ‘im ‘is dues, he wants The Bin Man to be paid no less than a nuclear rocket surgeon, which is only a fair suck of the sav.

Or it would be if he was paying The Bin Man himself, rather than expecting all us nuclear rocket surgeons to pay him.

There'll be no money for payment...

[Akzle]

Then you have read my definition wrong.

You say you're not? Try going out and pissing on a cops boots, try starting a weed farm, etc, etc, whether you (or we) like it or not, you are a part of our society; you live on our societies lands, you interact without society at an individual level etc etc.

ill type this slowly.
By
the
definition
your
society
must
accept
of
the
word
'society'
i
am
not
part
of
it.
I may farm a bit o weed, i have no interest in pissing on anyone.
Your society doesnt own land.
I do interact with people. I interact with communities.
And yes, as much as it frustrates and annoys me, i do interact with those enforcing society.

[bogan]

ill type this slowly.
By
the
definition
your
society
must
accept
of
the
word
'society'
i
am
not
part
of
it.
I may farm a bit o weed, i have no interest in pissing on anyone.
Your society doesnt own land.
I do interact with people. I interact with communities.
And yes, as much as it frustrates and annoys me, i do interact with those enforcing society.

I'd prefer reason to slow typing... Our society governs land, on which you reside, making you part of our society. Also, aren't you on the dole?

[Akzle]

I'd prefer reason to slow typing... Our society governs land, on which you reside, making you part of our society. Also, aren't you on the dole?

ahh, you've been sucked in by some old gits 'round here

reason:
your society defines society, very specifically.
i do not fit that definition, emphatically.
you MUST accept, by the rules and definitions of your society, that i am not part of it.

nice that we've moved to the word governs over owns. but we can go one step further and add the word claims.
they CLAIM to have a right to do it.
i counter that they do not, and CLAIM that if, in fact, they do have some right between myself and my godly state, they must prove it - they must do this even under the regulations they have ordained.

getting it yet?