Seriously? You're using forest & bird as a credibility check for the greens?Originally Posted by Katman
Bogeyman
Seriously? You're using forest & bird as a credibility check for the greens?
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Seriously?
These eco mentalists are potentially worse than the Greenatics.
Supporting 1080 terrorism on the chance of "saving" one of their favoured species whilst decimating the entire environment?
TOP QUOTE: The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money.
I am therefore I do
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/06/21...o-donghua-liu/
Why cant we see the Govts letters to donghua-liu ?
Just faidin away!
Seriously? You're using forest & bird as a credibility check for the greens?Our (NZ) cup runneth over with these softcock twits add to that collection DOC and Nationals Nick Smith and there you have a recipe for the perfect vacuum!
Scooter boy
According to the Department of Internal Affairs releasing it would breach the Privacy Act due to commercial sensitivity.
Must be something to do with how much Mr Liu donated to the National Party and the favours he was getting in return!
The funniest thing about it is that the Nats can't even make up their own minds on when they knew about the 11 year old letter. They expect Cunners to remember 11 years ago, but can't even remember what they did a few weeks ago. We can trust them and their memories - tui billboard
Can't wait to vote these incompetent fuckers out.
Bogeyman
Given the alternatives I'd say you're in for a very, very long wait.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Scooter boy
I don't think so.
A Labour-NZFirst-Greens alliance would be able work together without major hiccups. The Greens and NZFirst see eye to eye on a lot of issues economically (such as foreign investment) and it would force the Green party to be less extremist. Labour could easily push and pressure the Greens to downplay their further-left policies to focus on Inequality, Housing, Unemployment, and Debt. These are the main issue that concerns voters.
If Maori party are lucky and even get voted back in to Parliament they could go either way. National voters are not happy with the supposed "pandering", and a lot of Maori voters are not happy with perceived "selling out". Maori Party can easily fit into a Labour-NZFirst-Greens alliance now that Helen is gone, and the Paid Parental Bill should be evidence of how flakey National's relationship is with its minor allies.
Media commentators may be saying the same thing as last time - that its a done deal, but everyone I know left and right is certainly standing up to vote this election with lots of changes. You really think that somehow there has been a massive swing in votes?
Given NZ's previous election histories (eg. Helen Clark/Labour abysmal polling vs Bolger - yet would've governed if Winston went with her, and then not that much better versus Shipley and last elections supposed "walk over" ) I would say that this election will be as close as they come with every vote actually counting.
The left don't even need to go anywhere near Dotcon and Mana. I reckon after this election Mana will be pretty much fucked from their selling out. It's a scare tactic by the govt that the left will need them. It's equivalent to me saying that if National got in you can expect to see incest legalised due to the ACT Party's leaders public views and comments that it should be all good. Potential evidence to support this is the fact ACT are now standing a candidate in Southland. Afterall I remember the stories when growing up in Canterbury about Gore and the far South being the last bastions of "keeping the blood pure".
Faced with the prospects of legalised incest and the potential for an increase in devastating autosomal recessive genetic disorders such as haemophilia that may follow, I'm willing to wager my vote on the alternative.
Bogeyman
What? The media is reporting that the latest Fairfax poll shows National wit 57% support, enough to govern alone, and Labour's down further to 23%. I have no fucking idea what media "commentators" are saying, why would anyone with half a brain give a fuck? Based purely on the numbers why would I be looking for a massive swing in votes to keep National in? It is a done deal, the only thing yet to be revealed is what minority crackpot flavour of the week will we be blindsided by after the fact.
NZ politics has swung so far to the left over the last couple of decades that voters have finally recognised the inherent futility of paying people to contribute fuck all. Welcome to the consequences. Put your feet up, it'll be a while, socialism is blue and twitching and won't be coming back in it's current form.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Just faidin away!
New Zealand has always been a left leaning country - a product of the state school system and brainwashing from the cradle to the grave!
The media as usual will subtly instruct the country to deliver the result that it wants! (Tweedle dee or tweedle dumber .. take your pick!)
The electorate will have to wait until the politicians clinch the deal after the sham election is over! - The election simply gives them permission to do this!
The politicians will then select "the government of their own choice" among themselves completely ignoring what the electorate wants!
The fun part for the politicians is that the electorate still thinks they are part of a democracy!.
Forum whore
NZ is a left leaning country? What fucking reality do you guys inhabit? Some Ayn Randian utopia where people and societies are useless impediments that stop you having all that is truly yours?.......
Jesus H Christ!
- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
Bogeyman
The one where 55% of NZs voting public claim more in benefits than they contribute in tax, possibly the single most succinct metric describing the extent to which NZ has in fact been steered left by successive governments leveraging envy into votes. The one where NZ provides more in basic human needs than any other country on the planet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Progress_Index regardless of the cost to a largely disenfranchised "productive sector".
You obviously feel otherwise. Which is probably why you're having trouble with your perception of reality not matching the facts. That this hasn't apparently modified your opinion to date suggests that your emotions are likely to continue to drive your opinions for the foreseeable future.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
These opinion polls (Fairfax, 3 news, etc) - who are they asking? I cannot recall a single time I have ever been asked in a poll who I would vote for.
I am guessing they are calling people with a fixed phone (ie not a mobile), so that's going to exclude a hell of a lot of the population, especially the younger people.
Asking the older people if they like john key - sure they are going to get the sort of results we're seeing
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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Scooter boy
Like I said, look at the past history with polls - they are not reliable. National were supposed to win last election with 57% or higher, instead they ended up close to not even forming a government. This election is likely to be even closer.
If you're so adamant, then you wont need to turn up to vote right? That's the funny thing about it, John Key and the Nats know the race is close, and are worried cos a lot of gullible who believe the polls may not turn up to vote for them because they believe its a done deal!!
Scooter boy
Things would be much better if we were a right wing bastion of free markets - where the productive sector made up the bulk of the economy and the service sector made sweet fuck all.
There's a country that works like that - it's called Somalia.
Scooter boy
I love when people bring up the argument about "the productive sector" and everyone who sponges of them...
Based on this view a motorcycle mechanic who doesn't produce anything is arguably worthless compared to Harley Davidson, Honda etc. who pump out the bikes. What a load of crap.
Those who bleat the loudest about beneficiaries would be the first to complain if everyone had a job and inflation was to rise or they had troubles finding a worker who would accept crap pay.
It's not left wing economics that creates unemployment and beneficaries, right wing economics requires it - otherwise the labour market is not "competitive".
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