Cunliffe's constituent Liu?

[Ocean1]

Maybe you were meaning the UK?

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Lets look at the UK, then.

The top 40% of earners pay more tax than they get in benefits, the bottom 60% get more benefits than they pay in tax.

The top 1% generate about 30% of total income-tax.

After "redistribution", the richest 20% has only four times as much money to play with as the poorest 20%.

All of which sorta explains why their economy is in the shit, I mean with incentives like that why the fuck would the average POM bother getting out of bed?

[oldrider]

To remain in or gain power in NZ politicans have to stray left because thats where all the fucking votes are in this country! ...

[Winston001]

Lets look at the UK, then.

The top 40% of earners pay more tax than they get in benefits, the bottom 60% get more benefits than they pay in tax.

The top 1% generate about 30% of total income-tax.

After "redistribution", the richest 20% has only four times as much money to play with as the poorest 20%.

Oh yeah Eat the Rich! Damn they's a tasty bunch with the caviar and camembert.

[Ocean1]

Oh yeah Eat the Rich! Damn they's a tasty bunch with the caviar and camembert.

Aye. The left hate commerce and business in particular, it's all some complicated system imposed by some dark conspiracy to defraud the poor of their rights, and they're absolutely certain it's all very unfair. Can't be otherwise, that'd mean everyone had some responsibility for their own success.

Nothing about that picture reflects reality. A market economy is simply a natural extension of the way peaceful humans have always interacted, in honest exchange. It's not "greedy, it's simply how the world has been made a better, safer and far more prosperous place, with far far fewer poor than there's ever been.

Forget "income inequity", statistically there's bugger all to that fashionable lie even before you consider the wealth redistributed to the "poor". The socialists invariably insist that nobody deserves to be poor, but considering that those poor have never been better off, (their grandparents would consider most of them absurdly wealthy) what the left really means is that nobody deserves to be rich. Rich pricks, they don't deserve all that shit.

Envy makes normal people fucking ugly.

[oldrider]

Envy makes normal people fucking ugly.

Left thinking = Envy ... Right thinking = Enable (make things happen) There's nothing left but to get right on with life!

[SPman]

What a load of tripe this thread rapidly descended to!



Well done lads.

[mashman]

Also they are very much battening down the hatches over there after 6 years of a moronic Government that was internally divided. A tax and spend ''Government'' that emptied the piggybank and some. Wages may be higher over there but so are living costs, substanially

Coz that spending wasn't required in a rapidly expanding economy? Pulease.

[mashman]

That's pretty much exactly what happened until recently isn't it? In spite of, as you point out some pretty serious disincentives to do so the cream of NZ's producers fucked off overseas. How much tax did we make from that lot? You have the smell of one who doesn't change his opinion in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Suffer the smell of 1 shit for the smell of another eh... oooo what a choice.

For what it's worth I agree, what possible reason would anyone have for demanding more from the 9% that already supply over 70% of tax revenue?

You'd have to be a right greedy bastard.

Coz it costs to run a country.

Or in govt.

[mashman]

100% agree. What I want to know is why a lot of these Iwi entities, flush with taxpayer funded handouts ( on shonky historical pretext ) are paying no tax? Whats that about?

Far from decrying the huge amount of tax that the very wealthy pay we should be more concerned about the tax revenue that is not being enforced, such as the huge volume of internet purchasing that is arriving unlevied and untaxed. Tax is payed if you purchase goods locally, why should it not be the same if you purchase offshore?

That idiot Hollande in France ( will only be a one termer ) was taxing the rich at 75% and to date has scared away 4500 or so of them to other countries who will accept their revenue stream and tax them only ''politely'' at the same time. This socialist taxing muppett worked out that his tax revenue has actually fallen and that the French economy has stalled. He is now engaged in doing a 'u' turn. Of course like the hypocrites that socialist leaders largely are he is enjoying the trappings of a lavish lifestyle, totally at odds with the tired old rhetoric that rich people are evil...

For myself Im not rich but work bloody hard , up to 80 hours per week and am comfortable. I dont expect to be severely penalised for that by politicians who will promise the world to accept in part the guaranteed votes of some members of society ( I only said some! ) that are improvident

A flat consumption tax only is the very best solution for helping to instil a thriving economy that will benefit everyone

That Iwi nonsense sounds like 1 department arguing with another department that their department is more important than the other department and should therefore have their budget. Inherently pointless.

I always find it ironic that people who believe they are losing too much money, because of the needs of the country, leave the very country that made them rich when asked to stump up a little more in the way of taxation. I'd be blaming the wankers for leaving, not the govt that had to make a given financial decision.

There is no financial solution Robert. You can try any taxation system you like but you're going to end up back in exactly the same spot. We always have, what makes you believe that things are going to be different this time around?

[Robert Taylor]

To remain in or gain power in NZ politicans have to stray left because thats where all the fucking votes are in this country! ...

I fear you are correct. Schoolteachers also have a lot to answer for in that respect.

[mashman]

End all race based claims and parliamentary seats at a stroke

Does not compute.

Against gay marriage etc

[Robert Taylor]

That Iwi nonsense sounds like 1 department arguing with another department that their department is more important than the other department and should therefore have their budget. Inherently pointless.

I always find it ironic that people who believe they are losing too much money, because of the needs of the country, leave the very country that made them rich when asked to stump up a little more in the way of taxation. I'd be blaming the wankers for leaving, not the govt that had to make a given financial decision.

There is no financial solution Robert. You can try any taxation system you like but you're going to end up back in exactly the same spot. We always have, what makes you believe that things are going to be different this time around?

Whilst not agreeing with penal taxes for being successful I do in part hear what you are trying to say in your second paragraph.

[Robert Taylor]

Does not compute.

Correct, race based seats and historical claims make absolutely no computational sense.

[mashman]

Left thinking = Envy ... Right thinking = Enable (make things happen)

and the greens are envious disablers I bet.

[mashman]

Whilst not agreeing with penal taxes for being successful I do in part hear what you are trying to say in your second paragraph.

It's not a crusade against the successful, they just happen to hold most of the financial wealth. It's that or you have to borrow. Would you rather put $10 in or would you rather borrow $10 +interest?