Cunliffe's constituent Liu?

[mashman]

Yeah? what makes you believe the social issues are attributable to the financial system?

'Cause as I said, those same issues can be found in greater numbers in any other system.

I suspect the general concept of "greedy" capitalism leeds people to believe it's not a system that caters well for it's poor. The facts don't agree.

... pure gold bro.

[oldrider]

Naaa .. see that's where you are wrong - you equate a value exchange system with money - but there are other ways of organising a society ... even with a different value exchange system ... they will all fuck up in the end as some people hold onto more and more symbols of value .. denying them to other people .. for whatever reason ...



You can't give people warning of radical change - they resist - and then they have time to organie their resistance .. even Roger Douglas knew that - hence his speed of action ...

Not al human behaviour is driven by greed and money. That's even more cynical than I can be ..

True! [you must spread etc]

[oldrider]

Wow, you just don't stop digging do you?
The evidence is there in front of you, but you are to stupid to understand it.
Please tell me, in your own words, how a bank makes money out of a foreclosure, and how this makes it a Ponsi scheme?
Don't forget to factor in the bank paying its investors for money that it isn't getting a return on.
You might also explain the reference to banks printing their way out of it - I had no idea that banks in NZ could actually print their own money any more.
Then you might want to reference these laws that are "protecting" the banks...

An invitation to an Oscar keyboard pissing contest page after page?

Fuck off, I surrender to your overpowering interlect and political nouse ... there, does that do it for you?

[Oscar]

An invitation to an Oscar keyboard pissing contest page after page?

Fuck off, I surrender to your overpowering interlect and political nouse ... there, does that do it for you?

Yeah, actually one of the better surrender documents I’ve read.
Particularly where you misspelled “intellect”.

[Brian d marge]

The economic framework has nothing to do with the level of exploitation, it’s at least as apparent in communist economies, if not more.


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True ...but it can assist in that exploitation ........

You might also explain the reference to banks printing their way out of it - I had no idea that banks in NZ could actually print their own money any more.
Then you might want to reference these laws that are "protecting" the banks...

Nz is a fiat money system and a fractional system , so yes banks AND government print money government issue bonds which banks buy and then are able to lend upon , ( im not aware of the ratio though )

But it is valid. In fact i've never met a single wealthy person that didn't work hard.

And what's wrong with the long-held ambition of most average Kiwis to work hard enough when they're able that thier savings can support them in retirement?

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Nothing wrong whatsoever with working hard .....being expolited is another thing all together .....

Naaa .. see that's where you are wrong - you equate a value exchange system with money - but there are other ways of organising a society ... even with a different value exchange system ... they will all fuck up in the end as some people hold onto more and more symbols of value .. denying them to other people ..

Not al human behaviour is driven by greed and money. That's even more cynical than I can be ..

yup once we started tilling the land, We start to become protective of , our, land , then others start to expand , their, land ....etc...... we can stop just start being , nicce!!!! might work ?

Most powerful people derive that power from wealth, but money is not the only way to measure wealth even if it is the convenient measure we currently use.

Is that better or worse than power being derived from being handy with a long piece of sharp metal?

Dont get in the way of my TV ...

Yeah? what makes you believe the social issues are attributable to the financial system?

'Cause as I said, those same issues can be found in greater numbers in any other system.

I suspect the general concept of "greedy" capitalism leeds people to believe it's not a system that caters well for it's poor. The facts don't agree.

fk me a trueism ...face it you are a closet lefty ........ have a secret pait of jesus boot hidden away do we ???

Yeah, actually one of the better surrender documents I’ve read.
Particularly where you misspelled “intellect”.

One can never tire of throwing stones at the fat kid........


Stephen

[Oscar]

Nz is a fiat money system and a fractional system , so yes banks AND government print money government issue bonds which banks buy and then are able to lend upon , ( im not aware of the ratio though )


Stephen

That isn't the banks printing money is it?

[Oscar]

One can never tire of throwing stones at the fat kid........


Stephen

Sounds like you have experience.
I doubt that you were the one throwing the stones though.

[Brian d marge]

That isn't the banks printing money is it?

No they use a photocopier dumbarse

Stephen

[Oscar]

No they use a photocopier dumbarse

Stephen

So you're saying that NZ Banks print money?

[Banditbandit]

Yeah? what makes you believe the social issues are attributable to the financial system?

'Cause as I said, those same issues can be found in greater numbers in any other system.

I suspect the general concept of "greedy" capitalism leeds people to believe it's not a system that caters well for it's poor. The facts don't agree.

I think your two statements are incompatible .. a system that does not cater well for the poor will create social issues. And capitalism does not cater well for the poor. It creates the poor to start with - that is stupidity in itself. That's the problem with capitalism ... (And remember I said that the fucked up capitalist system remains the best that fucked up human beings can come up with ...)

[Ocean1]

I'm talking specifically about the people who make more money than they could ever spend in a lifetime.

'Cause failing to spend what you earn means you don't deserve it?

Then they leave their fortune to their children.

Are you going to try telling me that those children worked hard for what they have?

Are you going to tell me they're less deserving than those that haven't earned the benefits they get?

[Ocean1]

I think your two statements are incompatible .. a system that does not cater well for the poor will create social issues. And capitalism does not cater well for the poor. It creates the poor to start with - that is stupidity in itself. That's the problem with capitalism ... (And remember I said that the fucked up capitalist system remains the best that fucked up human beings can come up with ...)

Then perhaps you'd better acquaint yourself with the facts somewhat better. Capitalist societies have fewer poor than any other sort, no other sort of society comes close in that regard. So far from making them fucked up it means they cater for their poor far better than any other system.

Calling the best human beings can do fucked up is simply biased bullshit, western style economies outperform every economic system in recorded history in that regard, reducing the number of poor from "almost everyone" to "almost nobody", what's wrong with calling it for what it is: a social success of unprecidented proportions?

[Brian d marge]

So you're saying that NZ Banks print money?

No they photocopy it ...how else

they even have the queens arse on it

Stephen

[Katman]

Are you going to tell me they're less deserving than those that haven't earned the benefits they get?

Well they're certainly no more deserving.

[Brian d marge]

So you're saying that NZ Banks print money?

You off to tell teacher the boys are calling you names again ......

stephen