MPs on the poverty line

[Robert Taylor]

My heart bleeds for these poor souls. Surely there must be something else the taxpayers could be doing to help those in need?



http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...or-perks-boost

Indeed, AND MMP MAGNIFIED THE PROBLEM

[Akzle]

Indeed, AND MMP MAGNIFIED THE PROBLEM

you voted for it

[Robert Taylor]

you voted for it

It is better to keep your mouth shut and to be thought of as an idiot than to open it wide and remove all doubt. Given the nature of so many of your nonsensical posts you would do well to heed such advice.

My alzheimers has not afflicted me so badly yet that I cannot recall that I very emphatically voted for FIRST PAST THE POST, and did so again when there was a further referendum attached to our voting papers.

[Akzle]

It is better to keep your mouth shut and to be thought of as an idiot than to open it wide and remove all doubt. Given the nature of so many of your nonsensical posts you would do well to heed such advice.

My alzheimers has not afflicted me so badly yet that I cannot recall that I very emphatically voted for FIRST PAST THE POST, and did so again when there was a further referendum attached to our voting papers.

oh you poor, old, white, ignorant git.

Well, die happy, knowing you did your best and the democratic majority knows better than you.

[Robert Taylor]

oh you poor, old, white, ignorant git.

Well, die happy, knowing you did your best and the democratic majority knows better than you.

So going by the demeanour of your speech you support apartheid, I thought as much. Im all for treating all races living within this country equally and with respect.

In spite of the fact that the majority of the population ( approximately 70% ) are descended from primarily the United Kingdom. And most of those people will be sick to death of paying taxes to fund the ongoing, never ending gravy train of historical grievances, especially where as has happened a lot of history has been cannibalised to suit those ends.

[Akzle]

So going by the demeanour of your speech you support apartheid, I thought as much. Im all for treating all races living within this country equally and with respect.

In spite of the fact that the majority of the population ( approximately 70% ) are descended from primarily the United Kingdom. And most of those people will be sick to death of paying taxes to fund the ongoing, never ending gravy train of historical grievances, especially where as has happened a lot of history has been cannibalised to suit those ends.

oh you poor, old, white,
ignorant git...

[Winston001]

... and then there is the ex-MP income of $37K / year......that's only $57K per year......for the rest of their lives. That's only 300% unemployment benefit rate.

Sorry Avgas but not so. In fact its worse than I thought for an MP who retires or isn't re-elected.

The old rule was if an MP served 9 years in Parliament s/he was entitled to a pension for life at a similar amount to the ordinary MPs salary. But that stopped after 1992.

These days they just have Kiwisaver.

[Brian d marge]

Sorry Avgas but not so. In fact its worse than I thought for an MP who retires or isn't re-elected.

The old rule was if an MP served 9 years in Parliament s/he was entitled to a pension for life at a similar amount to the ordinary MPs salary. But that stopped after 1992.

These days they just have Kiwisaver.

They are fked then aint they


better make sht loads of money in the 3 years available to em

Stephen

[SPman]

So going by the demeanour of your speech you support apartheid, I thought as much. Im all for treating all races living within this country equally and with respect.

My wife has similar views, and in a way, I agree, but,a cohesive society is not like a business and different approaches are often required, but...oops, you admire Thatcher who said, "there is no society"......

In spite of the fact that the majority of the population ( approximately 70% ) are descended from primarily the United Kingdom. And most of those people will be sick to death of paying taxes to fund the ongoing, never ending gravy train of historical grievances, especially where as has happened a lot of history has been cannibalised to suit those ends.

If they'd settled the court cases when they were brought ( many dating back to the early 1870s), fair enough. But by obfuscating, refusing to hear the cases at the time or pushing them aside, and being honorable people, the day of reckoning has to come, it just gets worse when that time does come. In historical terms, the amount of the claims have been diminished quite considerably from what they were, so, you could say that modern folk are getting a bargain. If you think avarice plays a part, well, they learned well from those who grabbed the land in the first place.

Of course, we could just be a pack of cunts like the Yanks, etc, and ignore any and every treaty and claim............

[Banditbandit]

So going by the demeanour of your speech you support apartheid, I thought as much. Im all for treating all races living within this country equally and with respect.

You're idea of treating people equally is to treat them all as if they are white .. New Zealand is not like that. I would not treat you as I treat other Māori, why should you treat us as if we were white people?

And an apartheid system? What do you think we have now?

I would worry aout your grandchildren ...

When they go to school they will nto be well-served and there is a high chance the education system will fail them badly and they will disengage at primary school ...

Currently, nearly one in five Māori children will not have achieved the basic literacy and numeracy standards expected of them when they leave primary school, and less than half of Māori youth will leave secondary school with NCEA Level 2 or better. Over a third of Māori students will leave school without any qualification at all.
Despite this, the Education Review Office’s (ERO) 2010 report found that a large number of schools did
not review their performance around Māori student achievement and did not make use of the evidence about
what works to promote success for Māori students. Boards need that information to make informed decisions and
set clear directions for Māori education success.

http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/Mi...essAsMaori.pdf

Your schooling system fails us ...

As your grandchildren get older, hope they do not get prostate cancer - if they do there is a 25% higher chance that a doctor will miss it.

The study found that Māori men were significantly less likely to be screened and tested than non-Māori; that Māori men have an overall lower rate of prostate cancer than non-Māori men, but their mortality is much higher with Māori men being more likely to die with and of prostate cancer compared to non-Māori men.

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/about/...rural-men.html

This report says that if they go to the doctors, then they are less likely to get a correct diagnosis.

Doctors don't care??? Just one example of how your health system fails us. No wonder we want our own .. we can't trust yours. I hope we have a good one when your grandchildren get older.

Your grandchildren can expect to live a shorter life than their Pākehā counterparts.

In 2006, life expectancy at birth was 70.4 years for Māori males and 75.1 years for Māori females, while life expectancy at birth for non-Māori males was 79.0 years and for non-Māori females 83.0 years. Overall, in 2006, Māori life expectancy at birth was at least eight years less than that for non-Māori for both genders.

http://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health-...pectancy-birth

And crime .. if they have contact with the police they are more likely to be arerested than their non-Maori counter-parts, and when in court and more likely to be convicted than non-Maori, and the serntences will be harsher.

When self-reported offending (and social background) was held constant, Māori offenders appeared still to be twice as likely to be subject to Police attention, relative to non-Māori offenders.

Independently of self-declared cannabis use, Māori were more likely to be arrested and convicted for cannabis use. Previous police record, self-reported crime, and being male also increased the likelihood of
arrest and conviction. Fergusson et al found this “consistent with a labelling theory
perspective

A considerable number of arrests follow from Police stopping and questioning individuals in public places. From the perspective of “amplification”, differences in apprehension could therefore result from some bias in
policing practice.

Evidence does exist to indicate that apprehension rates do not simply reflect actual offending behaviour of persons in the community. Instead there is some support for the notion that the interactions between Police and Māori on the “front-line”, as well as social interactions within families or communities, lead to an increased probability of Māori offenders being subject to criminal apprehension, independently of rates of actual offending. Some form of bias appears to be occurring – the precise magnitude of the effect, however, is less clear.

A similar difference occurs with the most severe penalty, imprisonment. Figure 5 below shows that, when sentenced, Māori were more likely to receive a prison sentence. Between 11% and 13% of convicted Māori receive sentences of imprisonment, as opposed to 7 - 9% of Europeans, a statistically significant difference.

as described in Section 2 of this report, a number of studies have shown
evidence of some of greater likelihood, associated only with ethnicity, for Māori
offenders to:
• have police contact
• be charged
• lack legal representation
• not be granted bail
• plead guilty
• be convicted
• be sentenced to non-monetary penalties
• be denied release to Home Detention.

I have taken a selection of paragraphs from this report http://www.corrections.govt.nz/__dat...ice-system.pdf

The authors admit that there are a range of factors, not just ethnicity, but you should read it all and then worry for the future of your grandchildren.

For all these reasons, and a host of other indicators, for the future of your grandchildren, you should be very worried about them and supporting our moves to improve the lot of Māori in this country ...

[oldrider]

You're idea of treating people equally is to treat them all as if they are white .. New Zealand is not like that. I would not treat you as I treat other Māori, why should you treat us as if we were white people?

And an apartheid system? What do you think we have now?

I wold worry aout your grandchildren ...

When they go to school they will nto be well-served and there is a high chance the education system will fail them badly and they will disengage at primary school ...




http://www.minedu.govt.nz/~/media/Mi...essAsMaori.pdf

Your schooling system fails us ...

As your grandchildren get older, hope they do not get prostate cancer - if they do there is a 25% higher chance that a doctor will miss it.



https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/about/...rural-men.html

This report says that if they go to the doctors, then they are less likely to get a correct diagnosis.

Doctors don't care??? Just one example of how your health system fails us. No wonder we want our own .. we can't trust yours. I hope we have a good one when your grandchildren get older.

Your grandchildren can expect to live a shorter life than their Pākehā counterparts.



http://www.health.govt.nz/nz-health-...pectancy-birth

And crime .. if they have contact with the police they are more likely to be arerested than their non-Maori counter-parts, and when in court and more likely to be convicted than non-Maori, and the serntences will be harsher.



I have taken a selection of paragraphs from this report http://www.corrections.govt.nz/__dat...ice-system.pdf

The authors admit that there are a range of factors, not just ethnicity, but you should read it all and then worry for the future of your grandchildren.

For all these reasons, and a host of other indicators, for the future of your grandchildren, you should be very worried about them and supporting our moves to improve the lot of Māori in this country ...

With all due respect a bit more "we" in your personal thinking and expression would go a long way towards unification of spirit in this country!

Michael Jackson's song "the man in the mirror" springs to mind as something all New zealanders are a bit short on. Time we stopped all that "them and us" shit! .

[oldrider]

Personally I'm not bothered. Being an MP is an awful job. You are never right. You are available and abused 24 hours a days 7 days a week. Your children are bullied at school. Your wife is sneered at in the supermarket.

And after three years you can be on the street looking for a new job.

Nasty nasty stuff.

Farrg that.

They could take a good look here and start doing something positive about changing all that: http://www.positivemoney.org/

Maybe then they wouldn't have such a bleak future and niether would we FFS!

[Banditbandit]

With all due respect a bit more "we" in your personal thinking and expression would go a long way towards unification of spirit in this country!

Michael Jackson's song "the man in the mirror" springs to mind as something all New zealanders are a bit short on. Time we stopped all that "them and us" shit! .

Mate, I agree with you - but when you look at how the Health system, the Education system and the Police and Criminal Justice system deal with Māori as opposed to non-Maori it is hard to say "Us" in the way you mean.

I didn't add that Māori life expectancy rates are about 10 years lower than non-Maori ... That's huge ... Maori male life expectancy is 70.4 years .. for non-Maori 79 years. Maori women it's 75.1 years while for non-Maori women it is 83 years.

All these sorts of things are a hidden apartheid .. and it makes it hard for Maori to say "us" and include all New Zealanders ...

So .. when are we going to sort out the issues in the Healthy and Education system? When are Maori going to court going to stand the same chance of going to jail/some other sentences as non-Maori? When are Maori going to get full benefits from our education system?

When are we going to make improvements for all New Zealanders???
Then I might be able to say "Us" ...

And sitting along side that are the large number of non-Maori who make just that distinction.

We have a long history of assimilation people into Māori culture - the Europeans only have a history of imposing their system on Māori.

I know you have said this before ... and I understand your position. We (Māori) do not feel part of a society that, in comparison to how it treats non-Māori, treats us this badly ..

[Brian d marge]

With all due respect a bit more "we" in your personal thinking and expression would go a long way towards unification of spirit in this country!

Michael Jackson's song "the man in the mirror" springs to mind as something all New zealanders are a bit short on. Time we stopped all that "them and us" shit! .

Dont know how to bling from phone

Stephen

[pete376403]

I didn't add that Māori life expectancy rates are about 10 years lower than non-Maori ... That's huge ... Maori male life expectancy is 70.4 years .. for non-Maori 79 years. Maori women it's 75.1 years while for non-Maori women it is 83 years.

I know you have said this before ... and I understand your position. We (Māori) do not feel part of a society that, in comparison to how it treats non-Māori, treats us this badly ..

Sorry but maori treat themselves pretty badly too - look at the stats on smoking, drinking, unhealthy eating (don't tell me that feeding the family maccas or kfc is simply due to costs)
eg:

In 2009 the current smoking rate for Maori was 44 percent, still significantly higher than for non-Maori (18 percent) for
both males and females.
• Maori in all age groups had higher smoking rates than non-Maori.
• Maori non-smokers were more likely than non-Maori to be to be
exposed to second-hand smoke in their homes and cars.

http://www.health.govt.nz/system/fil...o-use-2011.pdf