Kiwis fighting for Free Syrian Army, ISIS, Hezbollah, etc

**scracha** · 13th July 2014, 18:29

http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/kiwi-s...-islam-6026253

Whist I think this guy is nuts, I respect that he wants to fight for his cause (or gain an education (sic)).

I can't understand why the government have taken his passport. Surely the worst that could happen is that he doesn't make it back?

**ellipsis** · 13th July 2014, 19:12

...he wants to study sharia law...what need would we have for him back here?...

**ellipsis** · 13th July 2014, 19:25

...this response made me pause and think a little on it...American but fairly much an international thing really...

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/heritage...-radical-islam

**jahrasti** · 13th July 2014, 19:28

Me thinks that this puff piece was as a result of having an uncle called Cliff CURTIS.

The questions asked were so simply scripted it was astonishing.

**Oakie** · 13th July 2014, 19:31

Originally Posted by scracha

http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/kiwi-s...-islam-6026253

I can't understand why the government have taken his passport.

Perhaps there is information on this story the government doesn't want to share. I seriously doubt that we have heard the whole story.

**R650R** · 13th July 2014, 20:00

Very suspect story...
I think after the urewera four fiasco failed to ignite unrest in nz, this was plan b.
Except the chosen patsie prob flunked out of bomb school in aljerkistan or wherever he went, as he didn't sound to bright...

**scracha** · 13th July 2014, 22:05

As far as I'm concerned, once overseas you're governed by the laws of the land you're in, not New Zealand's. So long as he returns with a greater appreciation of NZ then all good

An Akzle....what are you on about? What the hell has the Syrian conflict got to do with Israel? Have you been sleeping with SMOKEU again?

**Indiana_Jones** · 13th July 2014, 22:31

-Indy

**SMOKEU** · 14th July 2014, 08:16

Fucking terrorists. The only reason he wants to learn Sharia law overseas is so he can learn the proper way to cut off hands, feet and heads. Oh, and raping wimminz then stoning them to death for adultery. Allahu crackbar!

Originally Posted by scracha

Have you been sleeping with SMOKEU again?

Whatever gets you to sleep at night.

**SMOKEU** · 14th July 2014, 09:21

Originally Posted by Akzle

whn you finish reading that q'uran you can move on to the talmud

I've already spend a few hours reading that extremist bullshit, and it's funny how some people are stupid enough to believe it.

**Banditbandit** · 14th July 2014, 11:33

Originally Posted by scracha

http://tvnz.co.nz/sunday-news/kiwi-s...-islam-6026253

Whist I think this guy is nuts, I respect that he wants to fight for his cause (or gain an education (sic)).

I can't understand why the government have taken his passport. Surely the worst that could happen is that he doesn't make it back?

Nowhere does it state that he is going to fight ... it does state that he is going for an education ... not all Moslems are extremists ...

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Fucking terrorists. The only reason he wants to learn Sharia law overseas is so he can learn the proper way to cut off hands, feet and heads. Oh, and raping wimminz then stoning them to death for adultery. Allahu crackbar!

Whatever gets you to sleep at night.

How do you know he's a terrorist? Or even an extremist? I've known plenty of Moslems in this country who are neither ...

**Flip** · 14th July 2014, 12:51

I don't have a problem not issuing or revoking a passport for any gang member.

Sorry I dont see any problem here.

**jahrasti** · 14th July 2014, 12:56

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Nowhere does it state that he is going to fight ... it does state that he is going for an education ... not all Moslems are extremists ...

How do you know he's a terrorist? Or even an extremist? I've known plenty of Moslems in this country who are neither ...

How do you know he is not? He stated publicly that he agreed with foreign fighters for the jihad in the middle east. You can bla bla bla about the merkins being there but how do you know that as a sunni (I think it was) he isn't intending on fighting shiites? If that is the case whats the difference with what the merkins are doing.

Then again the actual supposed "jihad" is not just on the merkins but on the west. They just busted a french operation wanting to destroy their landmarks. So is that acceptable in the name of Allah and the mighty prophet mohamed if the Louvre or Eiffel tower is damaged?

How do you know that he isn't infact going to become trained as an "unlawful combatant" (bullshit term for terrorists). Hey he might not as I personally think that he doesn't have the balls to yell Allahu akbar as he detonates an explosive device.

Bro!!!!! (am I allowed to say that to you, don't want to be called racist) I KNOW plenty too, we should high five.

**Banditbandit** · 14th July 2014, 13:21

Originally Posted by jahrasti

How do you know he is not? He stated publicly that he agreed with foreign fighters for the jihad in the middle east. You can bla bla bla about the merkins being there but how do you know that as a sunni (I think it was) he isn't intending on fighting shiites? If that is the case whats the difference with what the merkins are doing.

Then again the actual supposed "jihad" is not just on the merkins but on the west. They just busted a french operation wanting to destroy their landmarks. So is that acceptable in the name of Allah and the mighty prophet mohamed if the Louvre or Eiffel tower is damaged?

How do you know that he isn't infact going to become trained as an "unlawful combatant" (bullshit term for terrorists). Hey he might not as I personally think that he doesn't have the balls to yell Allahu akbar as he detonates an explosive device.

Bro!!!!! (am I allowed to say that to you, don't want to be called racist) I KNOW plenty too, we should high five.

And how do we know that you are not going to murder someone tomorrow??? Should wee take measures just in case??? Innocent until proven maybe ???

(Yes, you can use the word Bro .. I never do myself ... but I won't stop you )

**jahrasti** · 14th July 2014, 13:48

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

And how do we know that you are not going to murder someone tomorrow??? Should wee take measures just in case??? Innocent until proven maybe ???

(Yes, you can use the word Bro .. I never do myself ... but I won't stop you )

Well potentially you may. Offender management plans, mental health history, family worried and contact help etc. There will always be peeps that act out of the blue though. Don't worry I have been tested and have a copy of the rubber stamp

As a normal person watching that puff piece you would think poor guy

but SIS would have far more in the background than would ever be let on. Hell how do you know that the threat assessment didn't come from another country. He has been overseas before. Who did he meet with etc etc.

I liken this puff piece to the OJ SIMPSON case. He got off so it must mean that he didn't do it

I ask you, would you be happy to let him travel even if it meant he killed innocents later? I'm the first to say I'm not.