MPs on the poverty line

[oldrider]

We (Māori) do not feel part of a society that, in comparison to how it treats non-Māori, treats us this badly ..

We are not the same even as we mix and blend we are still not the same and probably never will be but we must respect each others differences!

The only way to get respect is to earn it!

IMPO (which is only my opinion) I think Maori began to earn respect by getting out from under the humiliating Labour party apron and participating in governing the country in their own right through the advent of the Maori Party!

Sure it is a bit separatist or racist but who gives a stuff it is a beginning that is long overdue and a step in the right direction, Maori expression about Maori needs!

Pissing in the tent on their own terms is far superior to pissing on a piece of shit over behind the Labour party long drop ever was ... respect earned IMHO!

IMHO Hone Harawera has done a huge disservice to Maori especially when you think about how he has sold his soul to $$$$ power of the fat interloper and friends!

Mana? ... What fucking Mana?

I have four grandchildren, two Maori and two Pakeha, I want them to be seen to be and to be treated as equals in every possible way in this country of "ours"!

It wont be easy but it will happen if we think about it positively and it is well known that what we think about will happen ... eventually!

[Brian d marge]

Having just returned from nz i can say that kfc and fish and chip were the cheapest options
A feed of fish and chips went quiye a long way for our family of 4
And that was around 10 dollars

[unstuck]

A feed of fish and chips went quiye a long way for our family of 4
And that was around 10 dollars

$10 WTF, did you order sprats and peelings?

[Banditbandit]

Sorry but maori treat themselves pretty badly too - look at the stats on smoking, drinking, unhealthy eating (don't tell me that feeding the family maccas or kfc is simply due to costs)
eg:

In 2009 the current smoking rate for Maori was 44 percent, still significantly higher than for non-Maori (18 percent) for
both males and females.
• Maori in all age groups had higher smoking rates than non-Maori.
• Maori non-smokers were more likely than non-Maori to be to be
exposed to second-hand smoke in their homes and cars.

http://www.health.govt.nz/system/fil...o-use-2011.pdf

So you think that gives non-Māori the right to treat us badly?

[Brian d marge]

$10 WTF, did you order sprats and peelings?

I lemon fish and 3 scoops

Stephen

[pete376403]

So you think that gives non-Māori the right to treat us badly?

Not at all, but you can't trot out how Maori die ten years earlier without accepting that some of the blame lies with themselves.

[bogan]

When are Maori going to court going to stand the same chance of going to jail/some other sentences as non-Maori?

Two part answer, if you're maori royalty apparently it doesn't matter cos you ain't going to jail anyway. But primarily the answer is, when they stop nicking kiwi's shit.

Quit with all this racist bullshit BB, its not a good look, and doesn't help your cause at all.

[Banditbandit]

OK .. so it's OK for many of you to whinge about how many Maori are in the courts .. but when I raise other issues surrounding that I get called racist ????

Just part of the oppressors bullshit ..

[bogan]

OK .. so it's OK for many of you to whinge about how many Maori are in the courts .. but when I raise other issues surrounding that I get called racist ????

Just part of the oppressors bullshit ..

Have I whinged about how many Maori are in the courts?

When raising racial issues you gotta use kid gloves; a free hint, words like 'apartheid' are not appropriate despite how attention grabbing it might be. It is also helpful to show your working, like how did you come to the conclusion Maori don't get treated the same as kiwis by the courts?

[Brian d marge]

one nation under one groove .........



Stephen

[Banditbandit]

Have I whinged about how many Maori are in the courts?

I did not say "everyone" ..

When raising racial issues you gotta use kid gloves;

No-one else seems to take that approach here ..

a free hint, words like 'apartheid' are not appropriate despite how attention grabbing it might be.

That's your side .. from this side it is quite appropriate - there is structural apartheid in Godzone ... it might not be legalized as in SA .. but it is certainly there ... Only one culture matters ...

It is also helpful to show your working, like how did you come to the conclusion Maori don't get treated the same as kiwis by the courts?

Did you even read the links I posted? One of them did just that ..

[Ocean1]

And an apartheid system? What do you think we have now?

A system that provides more for Maori than any other ethnic group in the country.

Now, did you want to talk about the provision of those ethnically restricted services, or did you want to talk about the resulting outcomes?

[bogan]

I did not say "everyone" ..



No-one else seems to take that approach here ..



That's your side .. from this side it is quite appropriate - there is structural apartheid in Godzone ... it might not be legalized as in SA .. but it is certainly there ... Only one culture matters ...



Did you even read the links I posted? One of them did just that ..

No but you said many of you; heavily implying if not outright stating I was one of the whingers.

So what, you're trying to effect change right? step up your game then.

It isn't. The only legally sanctioned evidence of 'apartied' in this country is in ways which benefit Maori; like Maori only seats in parliament, Maori specific handouts/scholarships/treat settlements etc.

Not really, here is the conclusion

"The conclusion of this part of
the report was that, as a consequence of being exposed to a range of risk factors in
social, economic and family circumstances, the over-representation of Māori in
criminal justice statistics reasonably accurately mirrors the extent of criminal
involvement amongst Māori, particularly younger Māori males. Those life
circumstances most often associated with offending are, for a range of reasons, more
likely to affect Māori families."

So you can fuck right off with your reverse racism claims of persecuted minority's by the justice system.

[Banditbandit]

[QUOTE=bogan;1130746160]No but you said many of you; heavily implying if not outright stating I was one of the whingers.

No ... you're reading too much into my words ...

Not really, here is the conclusion

"The conclusion of this part of
the report was that, as a consequence of being exposed to a range of risk factors in
social, economic and family circumstances, the over-representation of Māori in
criminal justice statistics reasonably accurately mirrors the extent of criminal
involvement amongst Māori, particularly younger Māori males. Those life
circumstances most often associated with offending are, for a range of reasons, more
likely to affect Māori families."

So you can fuck right off with your reverse racism claims of persecuted minority's by the justice system.

I'm not suggesting that the arrest and conviction rates do NOT reflect crime rates .. no argument from me about that ...

Evidence does exist to indicate that apprehension rates do not
simply reflect actual offending behaviour of persons in the community. Instead there
is some support for the notion that the interactions between Police and Māori on the
“front-line”, as well as social interactions within families or communities, lead to an
increased probability of Māori offenders being subject to criminal apprehension,
independently of rates of actual offending. Some form of bias appears to be
occurring – the precise magnitude of the effect, however, is less clear.

This conclusion, from a different section, suggests that Maori are treated differently by the police and courts ..

[bogan]

No ... you're reading too much into my words ...



I'm not suggesting that the arrest and conviction rates do NOT reflect crime rates .. no argument from me about that ...



This conclusion, from a different section, suggests that Maori are treated differently by the police and courts ..

I'm reading your words, you're just shit at writing them it seems.

So arrest and conviction rates do reflect crime rates, yet you also say they are treated differently by police and courts? Does that just mean they are letting whitey off heaps? The bias could easily be social (in fact that is what was written in the conclusion). The thing that strikes me as obvious, is to treat all kiwis as equals, so any social bias can be equalised out too.