Just faidin away!
Comment overheard yesterday by one of a group of Maori discussing Maori affairs.
If anything is unfairly holding Maori back in this country (or the world for that matter) ... it is probably Maori in origin!
I fealt that comment was worthy of more than a little thought!
Maori are highly representative in every sphere of life both nationally and internationally ... not bad for 15% of fuckall by world standards!
Anarchic Wild Child
When have we asked for veto rights? four MPs out of 120 hardly gives us Veto RIghts ...Originally Posted by bogan
OK .. How about the $36billion the Maori economy contributes to Godzone ... about 17% of GDP - certainly a greater contribuition than the 15% of the population might be expected to contribute - especially as many people here (I only include you if you think this fits you) think we contribute bugger all !!!and preferential treatment, and abide by what your fair share contributes or fails to contribute to the democracy.
That's impossible - how do you find family trust scholarships?Find some that are for whites only then.
I'm sorry - those with diabetes, asthma and a host of chronic conditions get preferential treatment - i.e. they get treatment that I certainly do not get ... So "Preferential treatment" is how you define it ...Exactly, demanding preferential treatment for one subset based on culture reasons alone just doesn't fit with the overall culture of kiwis.
Yawn, stil not good with words today I see. Kiwi is defined as: of or from new zealand. kiwi includes all new zealanders, even the rasicst cunts; end of fucking story. If you want to try hipster philosophical but my word doesn't mean what commonly accepted definition is then you can fuck right off; discussion require commonly accepted terms, deal with it.
You are imposing your views on the basis that they are correct. Go here. http://www.ethnicity.maori.nz/files/...l_identity.pdf
WHen did I say that? When did I make that claim that my ideas are superior to the rest (And not al Maoti agree - just as not all Pakeha agree.You are treated with equity, your ideas are worth as much as anyone elses, what you want us to do is treat 15% of the nation's ideas as superior to any other 15%. That is not the way to end racism. Nor is crying about what my ancestors (who are also ancestors of 90% of those 15% too btw) did to your ancestors.
It was ONE example - there are plenty ...Just look at the shit you have to post, omg there is a racist working at countdown, sky is falling.
O .. so you think that excuses profiling on the basis of being Maori???I've been accused of shoplifting when I hadn't been, that shit didn't make it to the papers despite being age/clothing profiled.
How ??? I do not discriminate on the basis of race ...What a crock of shit, throwing the racist label is done because you are demonstrably racist.
Perhaps you should do just that .. otherwise you are just repeating the myths and propaganda of the dominant culture.Perhaps I will get right on that once you show how beneficial culture oriented learning is...
And finally ---
Well done .. you certainly follow your own advice ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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All this whining about how we need to change what is done simply because 15% of the pop want it; actually it isn't even that, you can't claim to speak for all those who share your culture; anyway, that is the veto rights I see you asking for.
You don't want to go even further down the segregation of economy route do you? Why can you not understand that 15% shouldn't be able to call the shots? Instead of increasing said percentage by including others you perpetuate the racism by demanding special/preferential treatment.
Not white family only, whites only, as in, eligible to anyone of European descent.
That's a piss poor effort, unless you think being Maori is an affliction like asthma etc?
Oh, do fuck off with the semantic bullshit, we both know that by kiwi I mean New Zealander; nit pickery bullshit on that point just shows how weak your other points are.
The demands that 15% of resources be put aside for your 15%. Resource allocation is not up to the 15%, it is up to the majority. Segrationary ideals will not sit well with the majority I'm thinking.
So what if there are other racists? how does that in any way affect my discussion points?
No, just pointing out how when race is involved, teacups can get stormy.
Dominant culture, fuck you really have problems seeing us as equals don't you.
Meh, when talking to a racist it is hard for the gloves to stay on; I just have a natural aversion and low tolerance to prejudices like that. Still, since you reckon I'm part of the dominant culture, shit doesn't really matter to me does it
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Forum whore
Thats not a Maori/white thing, thats merely that most specialists believe they are gods and treat everyone like that. My (EuroWhite) wife is treated exactly the same, right down to the wrong outcome.
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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Bogeyman
Dude, I don't have time, but you're wrong in claiming Maori get less health funding and you're wrong in your claims that there's no Maori-specific resources allocated for Maori. Quick example if you've got more time than me: Find a culture-specific European support resource for students at any tertiary institution. Find a group represented by specific cultural considerations in any tertiary syllabus in NZ other than Maori. "Cultural safety" in health is ALL about Maori, and it's a ridiculously large part of those courses. Time I'd suggest were better spent learning their trade: how to heal people.
And you're correct not to argue race, any person currently considering themselves Maori is genetically all but indistinguishable from any European. So, culture it is. Now here's the thing: Show me the cultural roots of the Maori behaviours with known negative health outcomes.
And we don't have a European-derived health system. There's no such thing. What we have is a health system, one developed by professionals from all over the planet, from every culture you've ever heard of. Few of those other cultures have any trouble accessing New Zealand's health system with generally good results. If Maori are less healthy than other cultures then list the causal relationships, and be prepared to accept that in most cases the causes have nothing to do with the health system. In fact if you find Maori behaviour has little effect on their health outcomes then don't bother going any further, you're deluding yourself.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Bogeyman
http://www.whitireia.ac.nz/AreasOfIn...riNursing.aspx
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Come warm yourself by the fire
I have to agree a little here.
If you see the drama's that Irish/English have had over the last 400 years - you can see why the problem can be race related.
I personally think that there are a whole bunch of great Maori people and things out there, the problem is it is a personal basis - ALL people need to recognize this and not say its a problem with race, but what their past generations did wrong. My father didn't beat the shit out of me as he had a father (step) who did. I try my hardest to be around my son more rather than work more.
If we fix these problems one generation at a time - you soon realize that it really doesn't matter a fuck what race you are.
A good example of this is smoking - I place a bet that in the history of white man on NZ you will see that the Maori population has gone from not smoking at all to all smoking, to hopefully none smoking at all. Meaning it was never a race problem, it was an environmental problem. Fix the environment, generation by generation, and you will see the benefits.
Maori people can lead the rest of us morons in this regard - if they simply remove the BS restraints they place on themselves.
It seems the only ones I know who are complaining - are the ones who have not created a solution. Plenty of well-off, well educated, well cultured, exceptional individuals. Contrary to popular belief they were not "helped along the way by white-folk". They simply didn't see race as being a obstacle to their progress.
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Anarchic Wild Child
Yes - that Whitirea programme is similar to one I am involved in developing - it does not exclude non-Maori nurses, just as we will not here .. we have had non-Maori nursing students on our programme in the past ...
If that's your best shot - FAIL. It's not exclusive ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Bogeyman
Neither is the standard nursing programme. So why do you need to ring-fence budget specially for Maori? And removing budgeting from mainstream health delivery to provide Maori-specific training services is most certainly exclusive, it’s money not then available for any other cultural-specific funding, is it?
As you were at pains to point out Maori are not a separate race, genetically identical, the same health interventions produce exactly the same results that every other culture finds effective. You haven't yet pointed out to me the cultural roots of those Maori behaviors with known negative health outcomes, and exactly why Maori need special considerations over and above those every other culture manages to do without. Is it not the case that if Maori behaved as other cultures do then they'd get the same health benefits? And if that's asking too much then what makes you think any quantity of extra service or special treatment is going to make any difference?
Do we see special rooms to accommodate visiting familie? Семейство, rodina, familija, pere, keluarga, famiglia, 家族, gezin, rodzina, семья, keluarga, ครอบครัว, aile, 家庭, gesin? No other culture in NZ sees the need. But we have special Whānau rooms. What funding do you suppose that deprives the mainstream health services of? And how is that not exclusive?
Actually, don’t bother, if you’re in that industry then you’ve already been thoroughly indoctrinated, the real world no longer exists.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
They're keeping the curtain manufacturing business afloat... glad I don't live there as it sounds like a horrible place.My heart bleeds for these poor souls. Surely there must be something else the taxpayers could be doing to help those in need?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...or-perks-boost
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Forum whore
A new article showing how tough it can be for a politician on the bread line.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...mp-up-expenses
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