Opportunity Knocks

**R650R** · 16th July 2014, 11:53

Originally Posted by rastuscat

What are the odds that he'll go and do the training? Seems like a good deal to me, but less than half the folk I've offered it to actually take it up.

Are we really so can't be arsed?

Couple of things.
Depends on what you rate your personal time worth in an hourly rate. Eg there are jobs I can do myself to bike, car, house etc but sometimes I'll pay a pro to do the job if my cack handed attempts takes too long and it results in a half or full day I could have gainfully spent doing something else. I'd kind be inlined not to do the course as overall its only a saving of a hundred bucks and its at least half a day taken, so divided into four hours that's 25$ per hour of 'me' time.
Really the fine needs to be about 4x the course cost to make it an attractive option.
Similar lines, there are so many things on these days, its hard enough to get friends and family along to things they'd even like to do, let alone forced to do.
So write bigger tickets ;p

**haydes55** · 16th July 2014, 11:55

Do scooters get ticketed for doing the same?

Would a bike be able to use a cycle lane if done so slowly and with respect?

(I know the rule about using it for a max of 50m if you are about to make a left turn.)

**BMWST?** · 16th July 2014, 12:23

Originally Posted by R650R

Couple of things.
Depends on what you rate your personal time worth in an hourly rate. Eg there are jobs I can do myself to bike, car, house etc but sometimes I'll pay a pro to do the job if my cack handed attempts takes too long and it results in a half or full day I could have gainfully spent doing something else. I'd kind be inlined not to do the course as overall its only a saving of a hundred bucks and its at least half a day taken, so divided into four hours that's 25$ per hour of 'me' time.
Really the fine needs to be about 4x the course cost to make it an attractive option.
Similar lines, there are so many things on these days, its hard enough to get friends and family along to things they'd even like to do, let alone forced to do.
So write bigger tickets ;p

Would you do a course with no incentive at all,other than you might ( re) learn something?

**Gremlin** · 16th July 2014, 13:55

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

2. The instructor commented it was really hard to fill a course in that region. It seems bizarre to spend thousands on a bike and gear but not spring $20 to help you stay alive and have more fun while you do that! I know a few guys who play golf, pretty good at it too. They routinely take professional lessons costing a lot more than $20. Tiger Woods has a coach they say, he must know something.....

Also factor in how much people spend on things like an aftermarket exhaust. Training would be one of the single biggest improvements you could make, and it's going to carry with you from bike to bike.

However, rastus from memory was doing this a while ago, and I think almost no-one took up the offer? As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...

Plus, completely agree with comments re right attitude. But then the other conundrum is that those that don't do the courses are often the ones that need them the most. ... mmm

**pritch** · 16th July 2014, 14:03

Originally Posted by rastuscat

If he does it within 6 weeks, I'll cancel the ticket.

Ticket costs $150 (ridiculous, but I don't set the fines), the training costs $50.

He is probably starting a thread on KB as we speak. He will be bitching about this arsehole cop who is making him go on a course instead of catching criminals.
God forbid that he might actually learn something.

**rastuscat** · 16th July 2014, 14:05

Originally Posted by pritch

He is probably starting a thread on KB as we speak. He will be bitching about this arsehole cop who is making him go on a course instead of catching criminals.
God forbid that he might actually learn something.

I'll search for it. Looking forward to hearing the other side of the story.

**Akzle** · 16th July 2014, 14:24

Originally Posted by Gremlin

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...

fck, all these years i've had it wrong, so very wrong.... i thought it was: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't have sex with it"...

**Grashopper** · 16th July 2014, 14:26

Originally Posted by BMWST?

Its not that.i think there are basically two kinds of motorcyclists
1)Those who take training as an option because they think they will receive some benefit from it.
2)Those who dont because they think they wont benefit from it.
I think the first group are also the ones with the correct attitude anyway so are likely to practise safe riding, atgatt etc,the other group,not so much

What he said. However, the ratio between these groups is unfortunately not 50:50, and those of group 2 will likely need a bit more 'convincing' (i.e., higher ticket costs) or may only choose the training if money is tight. But if that gets just a few people training that they otherwise never would have done, then it was worth offering this choice.

**Robbo** · 16th July 2014, 14:28

Originally Posted by Akzle

fck, all these years i've had it wrong, so very wrong.... i thought it was: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't have sex with it"...

HaHaHa. Geeze Akzle, have you been doing it all wrong all these years.
Best you go and apologise to your horse.

**rastuscat** · 16th July 2014, 14:53

Originally Posted by Akzle

fck, all these years i've had it wrong, so very wrong.... i thought it was: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't have sex with it"...

Where's THAT written?

**rastuscat** · 16th July 2014, 14:58

Just an observation.

Voluntary training schemes attract those who have a mentality for safety.

As a rule, it's the risk takers who think they are shit hot that could benefit the most from training, but they wont get it because they think they are shit hot.

That's why I decided to use the tickets to give them an incentive to influence their decision to undergo training.

Just sayin.

Pissing down, hailing and cold in Chur Chur at times today. I took the troll bike out, and the only other bike rider I stopped was riding with no gloves. We always stop those, and it's almost always worth it. He was on a 250 LAMS bike with a car licence only. Sometimes the job really is too easy.

If only people made this harder. Yawn.

**Akzle** · 16th July 2014, 15:05

i suppose i should probably get a license for something one day.....

nah!

**Scuba_Steve** · 16th July 2014, 15:14

Originally Posted by Akzle

i suppose i should probably get a license for something one day.....

nah!

Bro I can hook u up with any licence you want for the price of a BK Whooper... course if ya got a printer & 5mins you can hook yourself up too

**buggerit** · 16th July 2014, 15:23

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Also factor in how much people spend on things like an aftermarket exhaust. Training would be one of the single biggest improvements you could make, and it's going to carry with you from bike to bike.

However, rastus from memory was doing this a while ago, and I think almost no-one took up the offer? As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...

Plus, completely agree with comments re right attitude. But then the other conundrum is that those that don't do the courses are often the ones that need them the most. ... mmm

I think word getting out on the quality of the instructors will generate a greater uptake of these courses