Nicky Hager

[oldrider]

Poor DonKey.

He's truly fucked now.

Blind Nat followers be like this

The anguished screams of the desperate ... must suck to be you huh! . All this sick lefty crap has talked me into casting my vote to Key!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I am sick of what amounts to a sideshow. Although I do find it easy to believe ill of National and their lumpy minions.

The only party actually talking about policy is the Greens. You may not like their policy (upping the top tax rate and spending it on poor kids) but I foresee that a lot of voters, disgusted by these shenanagins, will cast their votes elsewhere.

and Key sounded like an idiot this morning on Morning REport. Yay Guyon. Stick it up them.

[MisterD]

All this sick lefty crap has talked me into casting my vote to Key!

I doubt you'll be the only one, but as far as I can see the whole thing just seems to be confirming what people thought anyway, rather than shifting votes from National to the left. Might make it harder for NZ First and the Conservatives as they scrap for 5 of the 6% that might vote for either of them, and Labour are probably cursing the fact that they've got no air-time for anything.

Questions for y'all:

1) Does anyone *not* think that Kim Dotcom and his desperation not to be deported, are at the bottom of the hacking?
2) Does anyone *not* think that Labour were tipped off, resulting in their "Vote Positive" campaign?

[mada]

The anguished screams of the desperate ... must suck to be you huh! . All this sick lefty crap has talked me into casting my vote to Key!

Good logic there!

[mada]

I doubt you'll be the only one, but as far as I can see the whole thing just seems to be confirming what people thought anyway, rather than shifting votes from National to the left. Might make it harder for NZ First and the Conservatives as they scrap for 5 of the 6% that might vote for either of them, and Labour are probably cursing the fact that they've got no air-time for anything.

Questions for y'all:

1) Does anyone *not* think that Kim Dotcom and his desperation not to be deported, are at the bottom of the hacking?
2) Does anyone *not* think that Labour were tipped off, resulting in their "Vote Positive" campaign?

People will not rush to vote for a PM when he acts like Helen in her third term and Muldoon. National needed to get more votes in order to secure a bigger majority and persuade Left Voters not to bother turning up. Instead they've incited the Left to vote.

Going to be a nice close election with all the Nats shitting their pants.

[MisterD]

The only party actually talking about policy is the Greens.

They're not, but they're the only party that our media gatekeepers deem it neccessary to tell the sheeple about.

[Oscar]

Good logic there!

Poor DonKey.

He's truly fucked now.

Blind Nat followers be like this

Oh yeah, you're the voice of logic...

The concept of logical form is central to logic, it being held that the validity of an argument is determined by its logical form, not by its content.

[mashman]

Worth a listen: http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/20146025

It was... that fucker should do standup.

[MisterD]

Instead they've incited the Left to vote.

Unless it rains on election day.

Going to be a nice close election with all the Nats shitting their pants.

It was always going to be a close election, and getting the vote out for National was always going to be their biggest problem. I think this is certainly a polarising issue, but I don't see it as a massive vote shifter.

That poll the other night for instance, what was it, 28% thinking worse of the Nats becuase of the book? That's about the sum of the recent Labour + Green pol results isn't it?

[mada]

Unless it rains on election day.



It was always going to be a close election, and getting the vote out for National was always going to be their biggest problem. I think this is certainly a polarising issue, but I don't see it as a massive vote shifter.

That poll the other night for instance, what was it, 28% thinking worse of the Nats becuase of the book? That's about the sum of the recent Labour + Green pol results isn't it?

As I've said before if you're going to follow the polls your going to end up butt hurt after the election. Polls in 2011 had massive majority for Nats & potential to govern alone, the result on the day was a minority govt that only got a couple thousand more votes than 2008. The Nats can only lose votes now - either by non-voter turn out or to other parties. You need to factor in that 20% of pollsters remain undecided (shit I still haven't decided which party I will vote for yet), so Nationals "majority" in fact ends up being about 40% of all polled people.

The real problem for the Nats is the longer this drags on the more holes they dig themselves into with denials and contradictions - more media attention and focus on it. While the Left can go about touring up and down the country and meeting voters. Add in the potential for an investigation by Parliament or Police and the government is truly fucked.

How well did Helen survive after the issues with Winston and Shane Jones? They were the nails in the coffin.

[buggerit]

People will not rush to vote for a PM when he acts like Helen in her third term and Muldoon. National needed to get more votes in order to secure a bigger majority and persuade Left Voters not to bother turning up. Instead they've incited the Left to vote.

Going to be a nice close election with all the Nats shitting their pants.

Interesting times, a shame most papers are owned by big business with interests other than journalism that seem to filter their content, but then again, there would be no place for bloggers if that wasnt the case.

[MisterD]

As I've said before if you're going to follow the polls your going to end up butt hurt after the election.

Well yes, there's never been a mainstream media poll that predicted ACT to win Epsom...

[HenryDorsetCase]

People will not rush to vote for a PM when he acts like Helen in her third term and Muldoon. National needed to get more votes in order to secure a bigger majority and persuade Left Voters not to bother turning up. Instead they've incited the Left to vote.

Going to be a nice close election with all the Nats shitting their pants.

trenchant, pithy and I suspect accurate.

All of a sudden its gotten interesting.

[mada]

Well yes, there's never been a mainstream media poll that predicted ACT to win Epsom...

I see the recent one didn't either with most "Nat" voters saying they would vote for Paul, and only after being told by the surveyors that Key recommended voting for ACT candidate did they switch.

Majority of Nats will vote for ACT.

The prob for National is that Lefties might this time vote for Paul and combined with those who don't know or don't care and vote Paul = give him a majority!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I doubt you'll be the only one, but as far as I can see the whole thing just seems to be confirming what people thought anyway, rather than shifting votes from National to the left. Might make it harder for NZ First and the Conservatives as they scrap for 5 of the 6% that might vote for either of them, and Labour are probably cursing the fact that they've got no air-time for anything.

Questions for y'all:

1) Does anyone *not* think that Kim Dotcom and his desperation not to be deported, are at the bottom of the hacking?
2) Does anyone *not* think that Labour were tipped off, resulting in their "Vote Positive" campaign?

1. Possible, perhaps even likely. Provable: I hope that his reputation as ze computer hacker means it will never be proved. Might have been one of his minons though.
2. The secret of comedy is timing. I think possibly yes to this.


I found out last weekend that Labour are not members of the international union of Social Democratic political parties any more. So apart from less money and more inept management, how are they different from National again?