I would like to apologise for being a westerner

[Hinny]

[QUOTE=Brett;1130756774]...

One other thing. It isn't the Jews who you see in fundamentalist groups calling for the blood of "westerners" or "infidels".

QUOTE]

Oh, so because Jews are not calling for the blood of "westerners" they are OK.

[Hinny]

Because my view of Israel is around larger matters than simply this current Gaza/Palestine issue. Simply:

1) As a gross generalisation, the Arab/Muslim world have little time for us Westerners.
2) This morning on Aljazeera, reporting in Iran that Fundamentalist Muslims are again rocking around the countryside attacking another religious faction who will not convert to Islam, killing many and raping many of the women.
3) Israel are not the ones I ever have to worry about strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.
4) Who broke this latest ceasefire? Gaza fired the first missiles AGAIN after mediation was not successful.
5) Why are Israel even in Gaza? Because when they were given the land under the original accord in the 1940's the Arab Nations took exception to this, thus ganging up on the tiny nation and the 6 day war ensued where Israel handed them their arses and sent them packing - taking some additional land in the process. Again, their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

I really could go on for a long time.

1 Clearly you have never been to an Arab/Muslim country.

2 Of the many travelogue books I have read of those writers who have expressed an opinion on their favourite country the majority have chosen Iran.

3 Do you seriously worry about Palestinians strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.

4 Mediation - ha! now there's a new word for it.

5 Why are Israel even in Gaza? They were not, as you state given the land under the original 'accord'.

I can appreciate how you might feel sympathy for Israel given your mistaken beliefs outlined above.
I suggest you do a bit more research and you might change your opinion.

[oldrider]

Any truce only effects Israel ... nothing changes for Gaza ... (that is the part most observers do not appreciate!) ... so that is why they continue to throw stones!

[Ocean1]

Of the many travelogue books I have read of those writers who have expressed an opinion on their favourite country the majority have chosen Iran.

Fuck, that must be what, three carefully selected Iranian tourism travel brochures?

I don't think you can even call it confirmation bias when you're consciously selecting your material to that extent, most would probably call it politics.

[mashman]

Fuck, that must be what, three carefully selected Iranian tourism travel brochures?

I don't think you can even call it confirmation bias when you're consciously selecting your material to that extent, most would probably call it politics.

A country is only as bad as its culture is and countryside. I think the place looks stunning. However I'd likely be brandished as a Jihadist and thrown in the clink . I can think of a bad taste joke about taking my girls headhunting.

[Brett]

[QUOTE=Hinny;1130760480]

...

One other thing. It isn't the Jews who you see in fundamentalist groups calling for the blood of "westerners" or "infidels".

QUOTE]

Oh, so because Jews are not calling for the blood of "westerners" they are OK.

As a Westerner...it's a pretty fuckin good start in my books. I am willing to side with those who don't want to kill me much more readily than cunts that would like to behead me...kinda self preservation instinct ya know?

[Brett]

1 Clearly you have never been to an Arab/Muslim country.

2 Of the many travelogue books I have read of those writers who have expressed an opinion on their favourite country the majority have chosen Iran.

3 Do you seriously worry about Palestinians strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.

4 Mediation - ha! now there's a new word for it.

5 Why are Israel even in Gaza? They were not, as you state given the land under the original 'accord'.

I can appreciate how you might feel sympathy for Israel given your mistaken beliefs outlined above.
I suggest you do a bit more research and you might change your opinion.

1) Wrong.
2) I don't disagree that there are MANY Muslim nations that are bloody fantastic. I also happen to believe that there is nothing wrong with Muslims. It's the fanatics that get up my penis.
3) Not really...but if it were to happen I know which flavour it's likely to come from. (Which could include Indonesia to be honest).
4) Ok.
5) Not Gaza no, and I never claimed that. They took Gaza arguably during the 6 day war.

You taking a shining to me sweetheart?

[Brett]

To the corollary Hinny me old mate...talking like a sage, what are YOUR grand experiences that allow you to think the way that you do?

[oldrider]

1) Wrong.
2) I don't disagree that there are MANY Muslim nations that are bloody fantastic. I also happen to believe that there is nothing wrong with Muslims. It's the fanatics that get up my penis.
3) Not really...but if it were to happen I know which flavour it's likely to come from. (Which could include Indonesia to be honest).
4) Ok.
5) Not Gaza no, and I never claimed that. They took Gaza arguably during the 6 day war.

Another conflicting point of view from that of sage Brett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xe5cQDIbMs

[Brett]

Another conflicting point of view from that of sage Brett:

You won't have to look hard to find conflicting views no matter which side of the fence you're on...their are more opinions out there than arse holes mate.

[oldrider]

You won't have to look hard to find conflicting views no matter which side of the fence you're on...their are more opinions out there than arse holes mate.

Very true.

[mstriumph]

..................... blah, blah

The rockets that have been fired into Israel last I read had killed nobody. Not one person! A single rocket landed near Tel Aviv airport so international flights were cancelled. Israel insists there is no danger and that the flights should resume. If there is no danger why all the dead Palestinian children? In a word? Racism.

The only just outcome is for Netanyahu and whoever else is responsible to have a one way ticket to the Hague and face trial as war criminals.

let me get this straight ... you are blaming Israel for being better SHOTS? good grief

I could take you and the other bleeding hearts to task on "all the dead Palestinian children" of which you speak but, what the hell, you are entitled to your weird allocation of responsibility, who am I to disturb your blinkers

[Crasherfromwayback]

Because my view of Israel is around larger matters than simply this current Gaza/Palestine issue. Simply:

1) As a gross generalisation, the Arab/Muslim world have little time for us Westerners.
2) This morning on Aljazeera, reporting in Iran that Fundamentalist Muslims are again rocking around the countryside attacking another religious faction who will not convert to Islam, killing many and raping many of the women.
3) Israel are not the ones I ever have to worry about strapping a vest on and walking into somewhere where I and my family are and becoming Ahmed Chick BOOOOOOOM.
4) Who broke this latest ceasefire? Gaza fired the first missiles AGAIN after mediation was not successful.
5) Why are Israel even in Gaza? Because when they were given the land under the original accord in the 1940's the Arab Nations took exception to this, thus ganging up on the tiny nation and the 6 day war ensued where Israel handed them their arses and sent them packing - taking some additional land in the process. Again, their neighbours took the first strike, Israel finished the fight.

I really could go on for a long time.

Have a listen to this when you have the time mate.

[mashman]

‘Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies’: Thousands call for peace at Tel Aviv rally... Quick, a protest, annihilate them instantly as this sort of brotherly love simply will not do. After all, the white muthafuckas said there should be war, who gives a shit what the people think.

[mstriumph]

‘Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies’: Thousands call for peace at Tel Aviv rally... Quick, a protest, annihilate them instantly as this sort of brotherly love simply will not do. After all, the white muthafuckas said there should be war, who gives a shit what the people think.

hard fact of life, brother ... no-one has EVER given a shit what the people think ...