Nicky Hager

**Winston001** · 20th August 2014, 00:13

Originally Posted by mada

So how do we all stand on Judith Collins as a Minister of the Crown (now of Justice, Acc etc) leaking a public servants name and details such as phone numbers to Whale Oil who then published an attack rant on the person (that was false) that resulted in that person receiving death threat.

Actually I agree with you. While being an admirer of Judith Collins because of her intelligence and ability to focus on the core issues, it is simply wrong for her to out a public servant. Constitutionally and ethically wrong. Plus she made a mistake anyway - an error no lawyer should make. Know the facts not suspicions.

**Winston001** · 20th August 2014, 00:18

Originally Posted by buggerit

In 1980 an analysis of 6 large firms in Britain found that chief executives were paid 13 to 44 times more than their average employee. The figure has
now increased to 143 times although in some companies it is a lot more.

Waikato Times today

There are more recent (US) surveys with even more extreme results. In fact there is a shareholders revolt group in the US attacking this type of inequity.

Still for some strange reason the arguments get no traction.

**mada** · 20th August 2014, 01:12

Originally Posted by Winston001

Actually I agree with you. While being an admirer of Judith Collins because of her intelligence and ability to focus on the core issues, it is simply wrong for her to out a public servant. Constitutionally and ethically wrong. Plus she made a mistake anyway - an error no lawyer should make. Know the facts not suspicions.

on ya mate.

Strangely Bill English seemed to be saying all the right things today.

**buggerit** · 20th August 2014, 08:08

With the focus on Ms Collins, it seems to have taken the heat off the primeministers dep and SIS over fast tracking of info to Slater,is
this a srtatagy and a reason not to give her the DCM?

**bluninja** · 20th August 2014, 08:54

Originally Posted by buggerit

With the focus on Ms Collins, it seems to have taken the heat off the primeministers dep and SIS over fast tracking of info to Slater,is
this a srtatagy and a reason not to give her the DCM?

Maybe that's (SIS) died down because of this

**blue rider** · 20th August 2014, 09:16

**Oscar** · 20th August 2014, 10:39

Originally Posted by Winston001

Actually I agree with you. While being an admirer of Judith Collins because of her intelligence and ability to focus on the core issues, it is simply wrong for her to out a public servant. Constitutionally and ethically wrong. Plus she made a mistake anyway - an error no lawyer should make. Know the facts not suspicions.

She should go.
She should not wait to be pushed, she should do the right thing by the voters and her party and at least stand down as Minister.

**oldrider** · 20th August 2014, 10:41

All Key has to do is leave it to the electoral process ... her electorate will decide whether she stays or goes ... simple as that, no big deal for him!

If they (National) are returned to power then Key can decide about cabinet positions again at that time.

The media and the left (one in the same) have nothing else to offer at this late hour other than this bullshit.

**MisterD** · 20th August 2014, 12:06

Originally Posted by bluninja

Maybe that's (SIS) died down because of this

Yeah, methinks that the Director of the SIS was pissed off with Goff calling him a liar and made sure the OIA was processed quick-smart.

**Paul in NZ** · 20th August 2014, 12:14

All this is a bloggers (left and right) paradise... at last someone other than the die hards are paying attention to them...

**buggerit** · 20th August 2014, 12:17

Originally Posted by MisterD

Yeah, methinks that the Director of the SIS was pissed off with Goff calling him a liar and made sure the OIA was processed quick-smart.

I would like to know why other media received the requested info at a later date or not at all.

**MisterD** · 20th August 2014, 12:38

Originally Posted by buggerit

I would like to know why other media received the requested info at a later date or not at all.

If my memory from the time is correct, then other media had submitted wide-ranging fishing-expedition style requests, and were simply beaten to the punch by a much smarter and more specfic request from Slater.

He basically asked for just documents and diary notes relating to one meeting between the head of the SIS and Goff...which you can be sure were already on his desk by that point. All he needed to do was get someone to photocopy, slap the big black redacting marker across them, phone Goff to let him know he was about to find himself in a big hole and mail them to Slater. Surprised that took six days really.

People might not like Slater, he might do some stupid, nasty, vindictive stuff from time to time, but he isn't dumb.

**Scouse** · 20th August 2014, 13:36

Originally Posted by MisterD

If my memory from the time is correct, then other media had submitted wide-ranging fishing-expedition style requests, and were simply beaten to the punch by a much smarter and more specfic request from Slater.

He basically asked for just documents and diary notes relating to one meeting between the head of the SIS and Goff...which you can be sure were already on his desk by that point. All he needed to do was get someone to photocopy, slap the big black redacting marker across them, phone Goff to let him know he was about to find himself in a big hole and mail them to Slater. Surprised that took six days really.

People might not like Slater, he might do some stupid, nasty, vindictive stuff from time to time, but he isn't dumb.

Well at the end of the day its time for the fat lady to sing.

**mada** · 20th August 2014, 13:48

Originally Posted by MisterD

If my memory from the time is correct, then other media had submitted wide-ranging fishing-expedition style requests, and were simply beaten to the punch by a much smarter and more specfic request from Slater.

He basically asked for just documents and diary notes relating to one meeting between the head of the SIS and Goff...which you can be sure were already on his desk by that point. All he needed to do was get someone to photocopy, slap the big black redacting marker across them, phone Goff to let him know he was about to find himself in a big hole and mail them to Slater. Surprised that took six days really.

People might not like Slater, he might do some stupid, nasty, vindictive stuff from time to time, but he isn't dumb.

The SIS explained away the different treatment by arguing that The Dominion Post also sought a copy of the briefing notes supplied to Key. However, this was the same document given to Goff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...papers-release

Nowhere have I ever recalled seeing such a fast processing of an OIA. Usually they take up to 20 working days. In fact the OIA on whether John Key was a "reptile" took about 20 days..

If Warren Tucker released the info because he was "pissed off" then there are serious implications in terms of Political Neutrality and especially because this is the NZSIS our top spy agency.

I very much doubt it will simply blow ever... As this and Judith Collins dilemma essentially tear apart the fabric of the seperation and trust between the Legislative and Executive powers of Government. Wont be long until the third part of Government, the judiciary gets involved.