Oh buggggggggggggggggggar

[admenk]

oh well, life goes on I suppose.

[Ocean1]

Well - they say you get the government you deserve, which, when it comes to a country returning one of the most corrupt governments NZ has seen (and there have been some beauts), tells you a lot about the mentality and outlook of the inhabitants - and from outside, it's not a good look! Have a good three years - I won't be returning any time soon...maybe wait until the country is totally stuffed then come in and pick up some cheap pieces, instead of selling up end of next year and returning as originally planned.............

The fact that you can chuck stones about corruption from Australia sorta demonstrates how one eyed you are.

And I figure the result is more of a pointer that Kiwis already knew how politicians of all colours behave, but considered the cynical muck raking from the bright green Hager and the contrived appeal to the neo-conspiracy-freaks by Dotcom and Co to be particularly distasteful.

I don't think Labour did anything wrong, outside of milking the above circus for all it was worth, I think the party's decline is just directly coupled with that of the unions that own it. The 80% of NZ that is small enterprises have seen the damage unions did when given the chance and see Labour in power as more of the same.

[macka77]

Well - they say you get the government you deserve, which, when it comes to a country returning one of the most corrupt governments NZ has seen (and there have been some beauts), tells you a lot about the mentality and outlook of the inhabitants - and from outside, it's not a good look! Have a good three years - I won't be returning any time soon...maybe wait until the country is totally stuffed then come in and pick up some cheap pieces, instead of selling up end of next year and returning as originally planned.............

Do us a favor and don't come back

[MisterD]

It's obvious that what people have voted for is stability. People are feeling generally positive about the direction the country's heading and opted for the only competent-looking combination.

Labour need to give the reins to Davis and spend the next six (yes, six) years talking sense and looking competent.

[roogazza]

Great, I did my bit, now lets get rid of MMP .
I was overseas when they conned everyone into that shit.

[tri boy]

Feel a bit sorry for Hone.
He has said some dumb things in the past, but wanting to feed/house kids isn't a bad thing.
Maybe his chubby German mate can pass him a lazy 100mill, just before he enters the departure lounge.

[pete376403]

We'll they can't suck money out of their thumbs to pay back the massive debt that nine years of Labor got us into my deviant friend.

"That is despite a huge blow-out in net core Crown debt since National took office, with a rise from $10 billion in 2008 to $50b now and forecasts it will top $70b by 2015. " http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ops-debt-blame

So $10B in was disastrous but $50-70B is just fine and dandy and deserving of another three years?

[nodrog:Me]

So $10B in was disastrous but $50-70B is just fine and dandy and deserving of another three years?

Its what the people wanted.

[husaberg]

We'll they can't suck money out of their thumbs to pay back the massive debt that nine years of Labor got us into my deviant friend.

I call bullshit bob
The debt has been accrued by the boys in Blue.
In fact the fiscal responsible ones are borrowing on a massive scale.
Debt since they took over is growing alarmingly.... this is their doing.... they have been in too long to blame Auntie Helen for that.
The whole time the Nats were in opposition, they moaned that there should be tax cuts......
That labour was keeping to much money to pay off debt, have you forgotten this.....

[SPman]

We'll they can't suck money out of their thumbs to pay back the massive debt that nine years of Labor got us into my deviant friend.

And if you believe that claptrap - have I got a Beehive for you!

I like Craig Murray's comment after the Scottish referendum

I have no sympathy at all for anybody who voted No on the grounds of the pledges by Brown, Miliband, Cameron and Clegg about constitutional change, and is now whingeing about the blatant dishonour of those pledges. I cannot understand how anybody could be so stupid as to have believed them, and yet have a brain capable of sparking respiration.

[Yow Ling]

Even the home of the Labour party voted Blue about 48%, putting Damien in didnt have any effect on the outcome,
What does that say about the left when the West Coast votes for the Nats

[SPman]

The fact that you can chuck stones about corruption from Australia sorta demonstrates how one eyed you are.

And I figure the result is more of a pointer that Kiwis already knew how politicians of all colours behave, but considered the cynical muck raking from the bright green Hager and the contrived appeal to the neo-conspiracy-freaks by Dotcom and Co to be particularly distasteful.

I don't think Labour did anything wrong, outside of milking the above circus for all it was worth, I think the party's decline is just directly coupled with that of the unions that own it. The 80% of NZ that is small enterprises have seen the damage unions did when given the chance and see Labour in power as more of the same.

At least in Aus you can genuinely go bush and be thousands of Km from the fuckers - and Aus has the ACCC, which is doing something, rather than nothing and having a feild day at State level at the moment - and yes, there is a perception that politicians of all colours behave appallingly, but, it shouldn't be, and wouldn't be if enough people took it up and stopped them in their tracks. By agreeing with a bad code of behaviour and then labelling everyone with the same brush, saying "it's just how it is - I don't like it....but!", indicates that you tacitly approve of that shit behaviour.

Labour hasn't been in the thrall of the unions in NZ for quite some years - not like the corrupt unioneering pressure put on by the Aussie Labour party. Unions, like all organisations, tend to become self serving bureaucracies if not cleared out and kept on track - eventually, like most organisations, without regular cleansing, the scum rises to the top. Labour still has too many residues of the Roger Douglas years and still doesn't know what it wants to be and where it should be heading. It's developing, but it's too engrossed with fighting itself, fighting potential allies and dreaming of glory days when it used to be a party as large as National. I think Cunliffe is the best fighter in Labour and they should keep him...if they can refrain from the traditional left wing bloodletting.....
National, for all it's infighting, presents a slick appearance on the surface which wooes the punters....and it presents a face of "Financial Competence and stability", which is woefully at odds with it's actual performance, but sucks in the voters time after time.....the modern National party and it's ilk have no concern about small business holders - they consort with the big boys and look after them, relying on "trickle down to sprinkle over small business - but - it's enough to fool people, and has worked for decades.......

I think John is right.....Key back in is an excellent result - perhaps the turmoil of the next 3 yrs will galvanise something new.......

[JimO]

time for cuntlips to apologise for being a loser as well as a man

[trustme]

I call bullshit bob
The debt has been accrued by the boys in Blue.
In fact the fiscal responsible ones are borrowing on a massive scale.
Debt since they took over is growing alarmingly.... this is their doing.... they have been in too long to blame Auntie Helen for that.
The whole time the Nats were in opposition, they moaned that there should be tax cuts......
That labour was keeping to much money to pay off debt, have you forgotten this.....

If you want the Nats to stop borrowing, which part of their budget should they take a knife to first to balance the books. Health , education , maybe they could slash the cost for law & order by introducing the death penalty. Fuck the dole bludgers let them eat cake, Lets up the pension age to 75. They did not create the GFC , they have simply had to manage their way through it.
If they had balanced the budget you would really have something to snivel about.

And yes I do blame Clark & Sullen for a lot of that. In the boom times they locked in costs that would always be unsustainable when the downturn came, as it inevitably would.

[gjm]

FFS!

Have so many people forgotten that National got in on the back of promises of 3, year-on-year, tax cuts, at a time when the rest of the world was staring down the barrel of the GFC gun?

National are borrowing more than an extra $1,000,000,000 a month, and that's a massive reduction.

Debt left over from Labour? Debt was falling. And falling...

This doesn't mean I feel Labour were right in their policies, but I'm confident they are breathing a sigh of relief that they don't have to deal with tens of billions of dollars of debt run up by National, with absolutely no plan or way to repay it other than taxing the hell out of everyone in NZ, and selling everything they possibly can to overseas buyers.

Labour may not be better, but National are so wrong in so many ways it frankly scares me that so many people just seem incapable of seeing it.

OK. I'm over it. Job's done, National are in, TPPA is a pretty sure thing and I'll be unsurprised to see destitution on a wide scale as a result. (Of course, the same could have happened with any other party, but this way it seems pretty much guaranteed rather than just possible.)

The term post mortem has rarely seemed so apt. http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/09/21...uva-hang-over/