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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    Nicky Hager is exactly what I am on about. He published a book based around stolen emails & gave none of targets of his book the right of reply. Where is the balance in that .
    Clark called him ' a sanctimonious little creep ' after corn gate .
    I do not take him seriously, he is not an unbiased investigative journalist , he twists facts to suit whichever political barrow he is currently pushing.
    Obviously don't know what an investigative journalist is about - 30 yrs of neocon politics have trained you well! If power is not upset, an investigative journalist hasn't done their job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    A state house boy, yes - but he went straight to university and his first job was in business. More like Upwardly mobile lower middle class ...
    Aye, and in an era when the govt felt a free education was the best way to grow the economy. I wonder if he learned anything from that history?


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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    It may be called the ' independant media centre ' but it sure as hell is biased. I take about as much notice of that stuff as I do of Cam Slater & Whale oil , Bottom feeders pushing their own barrow
    Pretty sure that there was an investigation into all those goings on, all dodgy as but JK came out clean . There was no direct link between him & the shonky shit. Possibly more good luck & fortuitous timing than good management as I recall.

    Seems to me unbiased investigative journalism is dead in this country.
    I did some investigating while on holiday and found this !!!!!
    Frankly I was shocked, 8% spandex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Obviously don't know what an investigative journalist is about - 30 yrs of neocon politics have trained you well! If power is not upset, an investigative journalist hasn't done their job!
    There is a difference between investigative journalism & a hatchet job. Ask Judith Collins , she got caught out by her own mendacity. Hager has little credibility with the general populace

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    My conspiracy theory:

    Labour didn't really like Cunliffe much at all but they couldn't get rid of him easily. So. They already knew they were on a hiding to nothing in the recent election well before the event. So they made Cunliffe leader on the basis that he could be blamed for fucking up the electoral results. Ergo, they can now fire the shit out of him.

    Good thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    . Hager has little credibility with the general populace
    Yes - NZ society is all to willing to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.......
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Yes - NZ society is all to willing to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.......
    Three years is a very very long time politically and by then we might see just how fickle the NZ society can be! .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Obviously don't know what an investigative journalist is about - 30 yrs of neocon politics have trained you well! If power is not upset, an investigative journalist hasn't done their job!
    "Journalism" is about reporting the facts and letting the reader decide the outcome.
    Anything else is simple manipulation.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Yes - NZ society is all to willing to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.......
    So, shooting hagar is OK? I'll get ma' gun!
    Someone should have informed me sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Yes - NZ society is all to willing to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.......
    That is sometimes the outcome when the messenger is a sniveling fuckwit.

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    Atta boy Bob. Tell us what you really think .

    Hager released the book timed to cause the max of damage to the National govt . The intent was political , journalism came a distant second

    People saw through him , saw through his message , saw through Fat Boy.

    There are issues raised that need to be investigated however, the timing was all wrong, it tainted the books credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    Nicky Hager is exactly what I am on about. He published a book based around stolen emails & gave none of targets of his book the right of reply. Where is the balance in that .
    Clark called him ' a sanctimonious little creep ' after corn gate .
    I do not take him seriously, he is not an unbiased investigative journalist , he twists facts to suit whichever political barrow he is currently pushing.
    I think he actually starts with a conclusion and then selects appropriate facts to support his conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haydes55 View Post
    How about a normal person. Labour claims to represent the poor and working class.... Yet they keep being represented by rich, old, white men. Exactly what a poor, young, mixed race family look up to........
    nobody cares what young poor mixed race familys want

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    Atta boy Bob. Tell us what you really think .

    Hager released the book timed to cause the max of damage to the National govt . The intent was political , journalism came a distant second

    People saw through him , saw through his message , saw through Fat Boy.

    There are issues raised that need to be investigated however, the timing was all wrong, it tainted the books credibility.


    I think he timed it to make the most money from the oppourtunity.

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    Clearly I am more cynical than you

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustme View Post
    Hager has little credibility with the general populace
    Thats because most of them are rednecks......


    When was his trial? I hadn't even heard that he'd been charged with anything yet by the Law or his targets.

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