EBOLA, creeping timebomb?

[Winston001]

Doesn't exist as in this strain is not of a natural origin. The guy and others are saying its a lab engineered bioweapon with a weakened strain of ebola or similar virus and a chemical toxin of some kind to bring it to the right sickness level.

The fact is that the original Ebola virus that causes dramatic external bleeding has been around for something like half a million years and is extraordinary stable in its genetic makeup, hence why a lot of people are raising questions over this new one.

The current outbreak is Ebola Zaire which is the most virulent of the four known strains of Ebola. If this specific virus has been bio-engineered then the French, the Brits, Russians, Chinese, Belgians (remember Marburg?) will immediately discover that. Impossible to hide a virus in these conditions.

Agreed that haemorraghic diseases are well known - we use Rabbit Haemorraghic Disease to kill bunnies here in NZ.. AIDS has existed in animal populaions for hundreds of thousands of years. FIV which cats develop (AIDS for cats) appears to be a million years old. Cats adapted.

Ebola jumped to humans in 1976 much like AIDS about the same time. No mystery no conspiracy. Its a slow imperfect adaptation by a virus looking for a different host. Tough for us but part of the natural world.

[RDJ]

For any of you who believe that a deliberate conspiracy is the cause of the problem, I will not debate that for obvious reasons. I will comment however that evading reality does not absolve you or protect you from the consequences of evading that reality. If you don't believe those of us who are dealing with this epidemic at first and second hand are telling the truth, then we have no rational common ground for discussion.

Since this is a biker forum I would point out a couple of unintended consequences vis a vis riders. The first is I have spoken to 2 adventure bikers in the last couple of weeks who have found to their dismay, that they are no longer as foreign patients able to be brought to a regional centre for good medical care after an accident (1) or non-Ebola-virus-caused fever (2), because they have been travelling through Ebola-affected countries. A considerable number of African countries have rationally implemented border controls for non-nationals seeking entry whether for medical or other reasons, to their country. Basically, the public health authorities are forbidding it to prevent the risk of introducing Ebola into a country thus far unaffected. So if you think when you're travelling in West Africa that if things go badly wrong medically you can go north to Europe or south to South Africa for medical treatment, think again.

It is also very clear (and I have seen this affect riding as well is non-riding travelers) that one of the major reasons the virus is spreading exponentially, is because infected people in the three countries where the epidemic is out of control and who are desperate to attend medical facilities, are being transported by their families and friends and colleagues very often by public transport. Patients in a terminal status of the disease are unquestionably and provably much more contagious than those in the early stages. Since there is a relatively small number of viruses required to potentially transmit infection, people who are being transported to hospital in extremis are extremely contagious - and future users of that mode of transportation be it tourist shuttle, hotel shuttle, private conveyance, public taxi or anything in between cannot know the risk of contagion from the virus remaining inside the cab or on the seat, to be transmitted to an unwitting future traveller. A number of conspiracy theorists have argued that since secondary transmission appears to be more significant than primary transmission, there is something that the authorities are not telling you. The problem is, it's when patients are more severely ill and therefore more likely to present a medical facilities, that they are most contagious. Only 1-10 virus particles are required to infect a new host. Therefore if you have contact with a patient in the early stages of illness you are much less likely to be infected, even if you don't observe personal protective precautions, then if you are encountering the patient in the terminal stages of the disease. Which is why this virus has disproportionately killed healthcare workers rather than families and colleagues (so far).

If you don't believe what's being said then there is no reasoning further. If you believe what's being said then you need to be reminded further of a very apposite quote from The Terminator franchise - because this virus “is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until (if it infects you) you are dead. Barring a reliable and effective cure, which at the time of writing, We. Do. Not. Have.

[awa355]

Now, here is full justification for the western govt's to start getting serious about dealing with ebola.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...-combat-ebola/

[R650R]

For any of you who believe that a deliberate conspiracy is the cause of the problem, I can't rule that possibility out obvious reasons. I will comment however that evading reality does not absolve you or protect you from the consequences of evading that reality. If you don't believe those of us who are dealing with this epidemic at first and second hand are telling the truth, because we lied to you about SARS, Swine Flue, Bird flu, HN51, measles, meningitis, tainted vaccinnes, tainted blood products, then I guess we reap what we have sowed.

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Since this is a biker forum I would point out a couple of unintended consequences vis a vis weathly Adventure riders touring the world on $25000 BMWs...

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Ohhh poor them, you'd have to be pretty stupid to be riding near those places to start with at a time like this, never mind the disease theirs lot of military ops over there too at moment.

A number of conspiracy theorists have argued that since secondary transmission appears to be more significant than primary transmission, there is something that the authorities are not telling you. The problem is, it's when patients are more severely ill and therefore more likely to present a medical facilities, that they are most contagious. Which is why this virus has disproportionately killed healthcare workers rather than families and colleagues (so far).

More like a number of unnamed sources unable to be referenced, do you write press releases for pentagon??? What healthcare workers? There's been a handful compared to the alledgedly 4000 dead victims so far.
And they have died due to poor decontamination/quarantine procedures, allowed to happen of course by complicit govt officials to ramp up the fear factor in gen population.

If you don't believe what's being said then there is no reasoning further. If you believe what's being said then you need to be reminded further of a very apposite quote from The Terminator franchise - because this virus �is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until (if it infects you) you are dead. Barring a reliable and effective cure, which at the time of writing, We. Do. Not. Have.

ohhhh shut down the debate because someone might provide counter argument to the contrary, typical govt dept response. The virus has only spread outside of the hotzone due to ZERO screening and quarantine procedures by major govts and airlines well after it was known there was an outbreak. And these ones that 'infected' healthcare workers in the west, how come that only happened after the fear factor was ramped to maximum. The outbreak had already been happening over there for weeks. In that time I would guess DOZENS of foreign aid workers, missionaries, extreme travellers etc would have passed through the hotzone or met secondary infected people. WHY did NONE of them get sick and spread the disease????? There is still a very poor response from govt given the alledged leathality and spreadibility of this disease. Now as the Elite still have to mingle with the riff raff this tells me its an engineered outbreak and they are in control of the transmission methods and also the 'cure' or effective treatments.
Some one should really chronicle the timeline of this and you'll see what I'm saying very clearly.
Just like SARS and Swine flu this is the MKI outbreak to get the name and fear into people. I reckon in six months time they will have produced an overpriced 'vacinne' and disease version mkII will be unleashed.

[Voltaire]

Was the Spanish Flu 'engineered" too?

[mashman]

Was the Spanish Flu 'engineered" too?

Yup.........

[Voltaire]

Yup.........

Your right I googled it and eventually found a conspiracy theory

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread443709/pg1

[mashman]

Your right I googled it and eventually found a conspiracy theory

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread443709/pg1

lol... I meant this lady ..... but top work

[RDJ]

[QUOTE=R650R]

"do you write press releases for pentagon??? What healthcare workers? There's been a handful compared to the alledgedly 4000 dead victims so far."

Heh I’m writing press releases for the Pentagon… seriously? OK, you got me. Not only am I a military PR flack, I am also a shill for Big Pharma and the Medical-Industrial Complex; and of course I was involved in the great SARs hoax of the 90s. Since you know so much about my employers, could you remind them that they've never actually paid me for any of the above… /sarc off.

There is however one fact that ought to be indisputable - although I suspect will be disputed; that of the death toll in healthcare workers in WA. For example Liberia. Best estimates are that Ebola has killed about 100 Liberian doctors and nurses so far. That is out of about 2,300 dead Liberians (tho' the death toll is underreported). That's hugely disproportionate given the ratio of healthcare workers to the population in that country. 16 of MSF’s medical staff in West Africa have been infected with Ebola while responding to the epidemic, of which 9 have already died.

[Woodman]

So who deserves Ebola more?

Rich BMW riders?

Poor BMW riders?

All BMW riders?

Rich people?

[R650R]

That's hugely disproportionate given the ratio of healthcare workers to the population in that country. 16 of MSF’s medical staff in West Africa have been infected with Ebola while responding to the epidemic, of which 9 have already died.

Not really given they are right in the middle of it and lacking proper gear... and of course they will have been the first to get their vacinnes updated so no surprises they are sick...

[R650R]

So who deserves Ebola more?

Rich BMW riders?

Poor BMW riders?

All BMW riders?

Rich people?

None of the above, saying that its not the end of adv motorcycling just over one outbreak... Very few adv mc international riders will be affected by this, plenty of other places to ride...
The bmw riders can just put their hazard flashers on anyway, that will scare off the ebola.

[R650R]

The end is not nigh... Just went back to the start of this thread and clicked few links...

This outbreak started WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY back on July 20 and a top US health official said "There is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, but it can be contained if patients are swiftly isolated and adequate protective measures are used, he said."

Ebola first emerged in 1976, and has killed more than 1,500 people since then.

So one has to ask again why are infected victims being flown to other countries for treatment risking whole countries???? Clearly because its all staged/controlled and the Elite are confident they have control of this version that they released...

[mashman]

Best estimates are that Ebola has killed about 100 Liberian doctors and nurses so far. That is out of about 2,300 dead Liberians (tho' the death toll is underreported). That's hugely disproportionate given the ratio of healthcare workers to the population in that country. 16 of MSF’s medical staff in West Africa have been infected with Ebola while responding to the epidemic, of which 9 have already died.

1 in 23. I guess you can call it a good ratio if a doctor or nurse helps less that 23 people a day. What happens IF there aren't enough doctors diagnosing Ebola in Liberia? Do you think the number of cases might rise somewhat? We've responded slowly, and that ain't just down to TPTB (hence nestle etc... throwing money at the problem in order to protect their profits, I mean workers). Peeps just ain't used to cooperating at those sorts of levels, primarily because fucktards get in the way (usually bitching that there isn't enough money or spending a small age raising the money ). blah blah blah.....

[Akzle]

The end is not nigh... Just went back to the start of this thread and clicked few links...

This outbreak started WWWAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY back on July 20 and a top US health official said "There is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, but it can be contained if patients are swiftly isolated and adequate protective measures are used, he said."

Ebola first emerged in 1976, and has killed more than 1,500 people since then.

So one has to ask again why are infected victims being flown to other countries for treatment risking whole countries???? Clearly because its all staged/controlled and the Elite are confident they have control of this version that they released...

meanwhile, shall we compare that to the 100% avoidable deaths caused by paracetamol, alcohol, and motor vehicles?

fuck no! that'd spoil the party...