Help make filtering in NZ legal - petition

[Old Steve]

You guys want to recognise the difference between lane filtering and lane splitting. Under the new NSW and QLD legislation, lane filtering is moving between lanes of stopped or slowly moving traffic at a maximum speed of 30 km/hr and is legal. Speeding between lanes of moving traffic at 70 km/hr is lane splitting and is illegal.

Before NSW introduced lane filtering they did a 3 month trial in downtown Sydney, and they sold lane filtering to the car driver as a win-win situation, for every motorbike that lane filters, a car moves up in the traffic queue.

Here, you can pass on the inside of the inside lane on motorways, but not in built up areas where there is a danger to pedestrians. Can't lane filter in school zones either.

It's quite sensible legislation, I'm glad QLD introduced legislation designed by NSW, but Victoria aren't going to have a bar of it. The Ozzie State system f*#ks the country. QLD have just introduced that helmets can now be CE standard and not need the Aust/NZ standard mark. But if I have a legal CE approved helmet that doesn't also carry the Aust/NZ standard mark it's OK here in QLD but it's illegal if I ride over the border into NSW or further south.

Goes without saying that this is the country where the $2 coin is smaller than the $1 coin! Oh, and if you have two bank accounts, a current acct and a savings acct, guess which account you choose on an ATM or EFTPOS if you want the money to come out of your current account? Yeah, you choose "savings".

At least NSW and QLD have got it right about lane filtering.

[TheDemonLord]

When the initial concept was raised and pimped around to garner support to fund the northern busway, bikes were allowed to use it.
Then it was built and quickly the bussists' wanted to play with their toy without anyone else being allowed to play on it.

Perhaps a better petition to take to the politicians, would be one calling for bikes to be allowed to use the northern busway (as initially promised)?

I saw a police bike this morning without his lights on having a cruise on the northern busway - I was jelly

[Drew]

Probably true of most groups made up of a wide demographic, but bikers are our own worst enemy. This is a stupid thing for any of us to be trying to organise.

Licence holding motorcycle riders are not capable of basic bike control for the most part. There is a small sub group who have mostly spent a lot of time racing/riding competitively and honed certain skills through experience/trial and error. A surprisingly small number of them actually develop skills I would define as a good feel for their machine though.

I can spit from my house and probably hit three riders with 30+ years experience each, who I wouldn't let ride my bike if they paid me.

To sum up. Without proper training and assessment we are gonna keep on dying at a disproportionate rate to other road users, and quite rightly not be listened to by any authority.

So stick your filtering up your arse, and have a think about your priorities.

[Ender EnZed]

Ok so if your looking down on the motorway you have 3 lanes...

A normal two-lane, one each way road still has a shoulder. It's the space of road on the left of the fog line.

Most dual carriageways have basically no space at all to the right of the rightmost lane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_(road)

[BlackSheepLogic]

I kind of disagree on your definition of splitting vrs filtering. The QLD legislation as I remember it confused filtering & splitting using the terms interchanged.

IMHO, If the traffic is stopped for example at a set of lights you would be filtering. If the traffic is moving (slowly or otherwise) it's splitting.

You guys want to recognise the difference between lane filtering and lane splitting. Under the new NSW and QLD legislation, lane filtering is moving between lanes of stopped or slowly moving traffic at a maximum speed of 30 km/hr and is legal. Speeding between lanes of moving traffic at 70 km/hr is lane splitting and is illegal.

Before NSW introduced lane filtering they did a 3 month trial in downtown Sydney, and they sold lane filtering to the car driver as a win-win situation, for every motorbike that lane filters, a car moves up in the traffic queue.

Here, you can pass on the inside of the inside lane on motorways, but not in built up areas where there is a danger to pedestrians. Can't lane filter in school zones either.

It's quite sensible legislation, I'm glad QLD introduced legislation designed by NSW, but Victoria aren't going to have a bar of it. The Ozzie State system f*#ks the country. QLD have just introduced that helmets can now be CE, Japanese or DOT standard and not need the Aust/NZ standard mark. But if I have a legal CE/Jap/DOT approved helmet that doesn't also carry the Aust/NZ standard mark it's OK here in QLD but it's illegal if I ride over the border into NSW or further south.

Goes without saying that this is the country where the $2 coin is smaller than the $1 coin! Oh, and if you have two bank accounts, a current acct and a savings acct, guess which account you choose on an ATM or EFTPOS if you want the money to come out of your current account? Yeah, you choose "savings".

At least NSW and QLD have got it right about lane filtering.

[Juniper]

Lane filtering is already legal: "A motorcycle may overtake a vehicle on the right within the same lane if it is safe to do so. The traffic must be stationary or slow-moving and the way ahead must be clear. A motorcycle may overtake a vehicle on the left only if that vehicle is stationary or if it is turning right."

It's the lanes plitting that is the question.

[BlackSheepLogic]

To sum up. Without proper training and assessment we are gonna keep on dying at a disproportionate rate to other road users, and quite rightly not be listened to by any authority.

The disproportionate death rate of riders vrs drivers has a lot to do with the venerability of riders compared to drivers. Because there is less protection for a rider the outcome tends to be more serious at a given speed.

Licence holding motorcycle riders are not capable of basic bike control for the most part. There is a small sub group who have mostly spent a lot of time racing/riding competitively and honed certain skills through experience/trial and error. A surprisingly small number of them actually develop skills I would define as a good feel for their machine though.

Experience on the roads is better than time spent on the track if the objective is to hone road skills.

[Drew]

The disproportionate death rate of riders vrs drivers has a lot to do with the venerability of riders compared to drivers. Because there is less protection for a rider the outcome tends to be more serious at a given speed.

Yeah, ad dumb fucks that we are we keep crashing our fucken brains out.

Experience on the roads is better than time spent on the track if the objective is to hone road skills.

Don't talk shit. I am not referring to just tarmac tracks either.

Bike control is the biggest shortfall of riders, followed fucken closely by the inability to assess risk and manage it. Teach a rider how to correctly ride their bike, and they can start ​to figure out the risks of a situation.

[GrayWolf]

Yeah, ad dumb fucks that we are we keep crashing our fucken brains out.



Don't talk shit. I am not referring to just tarmac tracks either.

Bike control is the biggest shortfall of riders, followed fucken closely by the inability to assess risk and manage it. Teach a rider how to correctly ride their bike, and they can start ​to figure out the risks of a situation.

and THAT dear boy, is WHY so many of us don't agree with the 'do track days' to learn how to ride school of thought.... The ONLY training that teaches both ROAD control AND 'risk assessment' is training based on the Police Roadcraft system...

Knowing how to get your fucken knee down, climb all over the bike, or, take 'race lines' doesn't mean squat on the road when you come round a blind/low vision corner and find sheep/shit/cows/vehicle in front of you.....

[Old Steve]

I kind of disagree on your definition of splitting vrs filtering. The QLD legislation as I remember it confused filtering & splitting using the terms interchanged.

You are incorrect blacksheep, and I know for sure that your opinion isn't written into the Queensland Road Rules. The Queensland Road Rules due to come into effect in 2015 do include a single reference to lane splitting. However these latest regulations do NOT confuse lane filtering and lane splitting. The only reference to lane splitting in the Queensland Road Rules is:

Lane splitting

Lane splitting is a term sometimes used for riding a motorcycle at speed through moving traffic. The higher speed increases the unpredictability of motorcycle movements and so would increase the crash risk for the rider and other road users, including pedestrians and cyclists. In Queensland lane filtering at over 30km/hr will be prohibited and penalties will apply.

That's quite clear isn't it?

[Drew]

and THAT dear boy, is WHY so many of us don't agree with the 'do track days' to learn how to ride school of thought.... The ONLY training that teaches both ROAD control AND 'risk assessment' is training based on the Police Roadcraft system...

Knowing how to get your fucken knee down, climb all over the bike, or, take 'race lines' doesn't mean squat on the road when you come round a blind/low vision corner and find sheep/shit/cows/vehicle in front of you.....

You are taking what I said out of context.

I merely said that the majority of riders who do have the required bike control levels, come from a competitive background.

Knee down be fucked, I made no such implication.

I am talking about bike control. "Road control" is a contradiction. Can the road be controlled? Never managed to stop cows stepping out or surface to remain constant with the power of my mind, but that might just be my mind not being overly powerful.

MOST riders do not ride their bike knowing what it's doing under themselves, or how to make it do what they want in the best way. Fix that, then fuck about with your 'roadcraft'. Yer just pissing in the wind otherwise. But it's not my pants getting wet, so I don't really give a fuck.

[GrayWolf]

You are taking what I said out of context.

I merely said that the majority of riders who do have the required bike control levels, come from a competitive background.

Knee down be fucked, I made no such implication.

I am talking about bike control. "Road control" is a contradiction. Can the road be controlled? Never managed to stop cows stepping out or surface to remain constant with the power of my mind, but that might just be my mind not being overly powerful.

MOST riders do not ride their bike knowing what it's doing under themselves, or how to make it do what they want in the best way. Fix that, then fuck about with your 'roadcraft'. Yer just pissing in the wind otherwise. But it's not my pants getting wet, so I don't really give a fuck.

Ok 'road' control, speed adjustment for bad road surfaces, reading the road, anticipation of impediments (stuff round the corner) vectoring risks, Slow in, fast out... not as I often see, very late braking and hugging the inner line (which reduces visibility around said corner), cadence braking, etc etc.....
Dont think I've seen sheep/cow shit lumps of mud on a race track, just round the corner. And if there's an off/obstruction/oil spill etc?? You have lovely people in reflective jackets waving a flag to warn you...

[Drew]

Ok 'road' control, speed adjustment for bad road surfaces, reading the road, anticipation of impediments (stuff round the corner) vectoring risks, Slow in, fast out... not as I often see, very late braking and hugging the inner line (which reduces visibility around said corner), cadence braking, etc etc.....
Dont think I've seen sheep/cow shit lumps of mud on a race track, just round the corner. And if there's an off/obstruction/oil spill etc?? You have lovely people in reflective jackets waving a flag to warn you...

Are you being thick by intent, or is it an actual impairment?

Stop thinking about lines, knees, flags, or any thing race related for fuck sakes.

Bike control. The ability to understand and react to the machine on which we sit. The mechanics of it, and manipulating them to achieve desired results.

[BlackSheepLogic]

OK, my bad.

You are incorrect blacksheep, and I know for sure that your opinion isn't written into the Queensland Road Rules. The Queensland Road Rules due to come into effect in 2015 do include a single reference to lane splitting. However these latest regulations do NOT confuse lane filtering and lane splitting. The only reference to lane splitting in the Queensland Road Rules is:

Lane splitting

Lane splitting is a term sometimes used for riding a motorcycle at speed through moving traffic. The higher speed increases the unpredictability of motorcycle movements and so would increase the crash risk for the rider and other road users, including pedestrians and cyclists. In Queensland lane filtering at over 30km/hr will be prohibited and penalties will apply.

That's quite clear isn't it?

[Madness]

You are taking what I said out of context.

He's really, really good at that.