What say you - review of motorcycle licences

[Madness]

I challenge you to show any evidence from a govt site of the right to operate a forklift expiring after three years from the OSH course date.

Department of Labor website :

http://www.dol.govt.nz/workplace/kno...base/item/1404

"The certificate will specify the type of training received by the operator (basic, refresher.... .... It is required that retraining be undertaken every three years."

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[BlackSheepLogic]

Maybe if you have not used your bike licence for 10 years or more it is automatically suspended until you have done a test. Registration data could be used to determine who has not ridden for 10 years or more.

Nope, there's too many reasonable explanations for not having a registered bike under your name. Also, just cause you have a bike registered in your name don't mean you are riding regally either.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I for one think it should include a driving test for all classes, but how would you feel if it was applied to just Class 6 licences?

Just seeking opinions, which flow freely on here.

I was all set to be "OUtraged, of Cashmere" but the more I think about it the less I mind it.

I also agree that it should include a driving test for all classes, and there should be mandatory testing for anyone hiring a car or campervan.

Like the fuckwit who clearly drove a Fiat Punto at home driving a Ducato Maxipad down Bealey avenue taking up three of the available two lanes.

He did have quite the clear space around though.



It must be hilarious driving a cop car, because in that little bubble around it, everyone is sweating bullets and being super polite. they wait till they cant see it before resuming their arrogant, dangerous aggressive normal driving. Next time I steal one I will conduct an experiment.

[James Deuce]

I think its shit! Cagers are the ones that need it. Swerving, not looking, tailgating. More cars than bikes too, which means more $$$ and hopefully some better driving (Wishful thinking).

You DEFINITELY need it. And some counseling for the victim attitude.

[rastuscat]

Proper testing for tourists who hire vehicles in NZ firstly or is that to sensible?

Tourists account for 1% of the vehicle crashes.

yeah, that'll make ALL the difference.

[bogan]

Tourists account for 1% of the vehicle crashes.

yeah, that'll make ALL the difference.

And how many is that per km traveled? and how many do bikers account for?

Deja vu eh...

[rastuscat]

And how many is that per km traveled? and how many do bikers account for?

Deja vu eh...

The 1% of the crashes caused by tourists means that they are over represented in crashes per km travelled. But it's still 1%.

Just like disqualified drivers. They are over represented in terms of crashes per km travelled, but they are still bugger all overall.

If we can effect the habits of the masses, that's better than targeting small special interest groups.

It's not popular to say it, but most people who crash are just Mr and Mrs Average. Far easier for Mr and Mrs Average to point the finger at their special-interest-group-du-jour.

[bogan]

The 1% of the crashes caused by tourists means that they are over represented in crashes per km travelled. But it's still 1%.

Just like disqualified drivers. They are over represented in terms of crashes per km travelled, but they are still bugger all overall.

If we can effect the habits of the masses, that's better than targeting small special interest groups.

It's not popular to say it, but most people who crash are just Mr and Mrs Average. Far easier for Mr and Mrs Average to point the finger at their special-interest-group-du-jour.

Mr and Mrs average cager, why are bikers being targeted again?

[rastuscat]

Mr and Mrs average cager, why are bikers being targeted again?

I'm with you on this. All drivers should be retested, just as with riders. No argument there.

[BMWST?]

rastuscat original post referred to those not having a motorcycle registered in their name ...

Some (like you) obviously must have more than one motorcycle ... not registered in their name ...

Rastuscat 's original post did not say anything about having (or not) a bikes registered in ones name.He referred to a large number of licesnse holders compared to a smaller number of registered motorcycles

[James Deuce]

I'm with you on this. All drivers should be retested, just as with riders. No argument there.

However, given the political climate, getting riders retested regularly should be a piece of cake.

It should be said though, that while I'm sick to fucking death of going to avoidable funerals, I've been to so many now that it's all getting bit, "Gosh, another one, pass me a lager."

[BMWST?]

What would get a lot of people to do these tests would be to offer half price registration to those who pass. Maybe cars drivers who hit bikes through not seeing them could be ordered to do the test before they can drive again. Double their registration as punishment as motorcyclists are paying high registration irrespective of fault which is discriminatory. Maybe if you have not used your bike licence for 10 years or more it is automatically suspended until you have done a test. Registration data could be used to determine who has not ridden for 10 years or more.

just because i dont register a motorcycle doesnt mean i havent ridden a mates,or hired one does it?

[mossy1200]

just because i dont register a motorcycle doesnt mean i havent ridden a mates,or hired one does it?

That would be riding legally while avoiding the cost of contributing to the acc tax. Free stuff is good.

[R650R]

Department of Labor website :

http://www.dol.govt.nz/workplace/kno...base/item/1404

"The certificate will specify the type of training received by the operator (basic, refresher.... .... It is required that retraining be undertaken every three years."


F endorsement automatically renews when you renew your licence.

http://nzta.govt.nz/licence/renewing...orsements.html

That is 'colour of law' eg a statement made incorrectly by someone in authority that ends up being believed as law by the uneducated.
I challenged you to find it in legislation and you haven't.
You could not prosecute someone in court with the quoted statement as it is not law decreed by parliament.
There is a provision to recommend refresher courses but there is no law saying you have to or that you are breaking the law by not doing it.

[Reckless]

Charge acc tax on a yearly licence renewal rather than registration.
Don't renew (pay acc tax) then don't ride. Have not renewed within 2 years of expiry then need sit a practical skills test.

Lower average cost. Riders who ride but don't own contribute. Multi bike owners are not penalised. Returning riders need prove skills. Easy to enforce (riding without licence).

I like Mossy's ideas as above BUT we could still be reamed up the ass depending on what the ACC portion of the bill might be??
It would certainly weed out the born agains as Rastuscat was wanting and be a more equatable solution for all of us.
Mind you it has seemed to go unnoticed even on here.

Like to see you get that one through though