What say you - review of motorcycle licences

[swbarnett]

you dont have Anti Virus on your computers then?

In today's climate, yes. That's a bad compaison though because the chances of me getting a virus are a hell of a lot higher than that of getting into a situation where I "need" ABS.

My wife has no anti-virus on her computer because she runs a Mac. The risk is a hell of a lot lowere and a much better comparison to the risk of braking where ABS would change the outcome.

ABS gives you the ability to move the bike under hard braking or even turn a little. It does not do anything until it detects a slip.

Years ago I had a car pull out on me on a highway. I was in an old VS Commodore doing 100kph. Im somewhat of a trained driver. The ABS gave me the chance to brake hard and turn the car to clear the car that pulled out on me. I would have hit it in a car that did not have ABS even if I used threshold braking.

I can't say I've ever had a situation where braking and turning together would've been of help. I've done the brake then turn to avoid an obstacle. But I do take your point. This is probably the one thing I can see that ABS will give a rider.


As I've said before I'm not really against ABS, I just see it the same as other essentially superfulous "safety" advances - the chances of it actually being of use are so slim it's just not worth the cost. Both in money and natural resources.

[nzspokes]

the chances of it actually being of use are so slim it's just not worth the cost. Both in money and natural resources.

Do you have seatbelts in your car? Do you have a car with airbags? Do you wear a helmet? If your so good at braking then obviously you dont need a helmet.

For someone that works in computers I would have thought you would know how to turn on the spell checker.....



And to agree with others, for ADV bikes I see the need to have switchable ABS. Either nothing, not back wheel or full. If I had ABS on my trail bikes front wheel I may stay on it a bit more.

[Big Dog]

Do you have seatbelts in your car? Do you have a car with airbags? Do you wear a helmet? If your so good at braking then obviously you dont need a helmet.

For someone that works in computers I would have thought you would know how to turn on the spell checker.....



And to agree with others, for ADV bikes I see the need to have switchable ABS. Either nothing, not back wheel or full. If I had ABS on my trail bikes front wheel I may stay on it a bit more.

Do you have ABS?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Do you have ABS?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Car yes bike no. Have not been able to afford a bike with it yet but due to my little disability Im keen to get it. Even more so now I do a lot of pillion work.

Off to look at a bike today with it on.

[swbarnett]

Do you have seatbelts in your car?

Yes, their effectiveness is emperically proven.

Do you have a car with airbags?

Not by choice. Wouldn't worry me either way.

Do you wear a helmet?

Mostly as weather and bug protection.

If your so good at braking then obviously you dont need a helmet.

You do realise that there are a lot more ways to go down than under braking? The only time I've ever "used" my helmet I was hit from behind.

For someone that works in computers I would have thought you would know how to turn on the spell checker.....

I've never managed to get it to work in firefox. Windows is not my area of expertise.

[_Shrek_]

If I offered you an R1 for the day would you rather have one with no aids, or one with traction control, stability control, linked ABS, some gismo that prevents the bike from ever falling over with both pitch and yaw stabilisation, Weather protection, climate control, air bags, side intrusion bars, side intrusion detection, blind spot detection, comfy seats, and a boss stereo with auto adjust volume control.

I'll take the R1 but you can keep the rest of that other shit

I think 60% of the pleasure I got from the Hayabusa was taming that beast.
Shot if I wanted all the above if drive a car.

I'd most likely have a black market bike that brakes all the rules rather than have to put up with....

[_Shrek_]

while I believe ABS has it's advantages, it has mostly turned us into lazy riders/drivers as we now rely on technology to save us from our own stuff ups & not riding/driving to the conditions

[Big Dog]

Car yes bike no. Have not been able to afford a bike with it yet but due to my little disability Im keen to get it. Even more so now I do a lot of pillion work.

Off to look at a bike today with it on.

Hmmm, that would be another challenge. Given the cost of a bike with ABS vs my relative income. I haven't looked for a while but I have not seen one for under 10k that is not severely neglected.

I took an FJR1300 for a spin a few years ago.
An odd bike.
IIRC Shaft drive, electronic clutch ( real clutch but operated off of sensors, no lever), traction control, linked ABS brakes on the front lever but not the rear and a few other bits and pieces.

I did not really gel with it. It did not feel like a bike I would be able to say 5-10 years later "I am glad I bought that". It did feel like an awesome option if I had something happen to cause me to be unsteady or no longer have the strength to run a hydraulic clutch. The brakes appeared to be assisted. Almost no resistance all the way back to well past where you would lock it up without ABS. I don't think I engaged it so I can't say what it is like.
Same day I took another one, might have been the previous model for the same circuit. None of the mod cons. Felt far more natural. It is amazing how much you miss the clutch when there is no lever there. Ditto for the brake resistance.
If I was to buy one it would be the basic model. But that is from the standpoint of who I am today.

If I was a summer only fair weather rider or only rode a few weeks a year on holiday loaded to the gunnels with gear and a pillion or had some minor disabilities I suspect the fully specced one would get the nod.

Either way would be with a nudge and a wink but very little change from 30k.
From memory there was about 3-4 k in the difference.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[nzspokes]

Yes, their effectiveness is emperically proven.


Not by choice. Wouldn't worry me either way.


Mostly as weather and bug protection.


You do realise that there are a lot more ways to go down than under braking? The only time I've ever "used" my helmet I was hit from behind.


I've never managed to get it to work in firefox. Windows is not my area of expertise.

Agree there are may ways to go down. But heavy braking would normally mean if you were to keep going you will be hitting something hard. Anything that gives you an option is a huge plus. You are clearly stuck in the past.

I don't work in computers and can barely turn one on but this may be of help as your spelling is shocking. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=firefox+spell+checker+how+to

[swbarnett]

heavy braking would normally mean if you were to keep going you will be hitting something hard.

Of course. This is a given.

Anything that gives you an option is a huge plus.

Yes and no. It comes back to the point of cost vs. benefit. Why should I add a couple of thou to the price of each bike I buy to cover a situation that has virtually no chance of happening (note that I don't say it will never happen). If I thought like this I'd probably always live under a reinforced roof to protect against meteor strike. I'd also probably put the guard back on my table saw.

You are clearly stuck in the past.

Perhaps. But if that is so then it's a past where you were expected to do things for yourself and not rely on technology to do it for you. My concern is that all this technology will come to nothing because of risk homeostasis. And all at great cost.

I don't work in computers and can barely turn one on but this may be of help as your spelling is shocking.

I copied the last two posts where you've commented on my spelling into Word and the only things that came up were "superfluous" which I typed as "superlfuous" and "empirically" which I spelled as "emperically". The former is a typo, not a spelling mistake. The second I will grant you is a genuine spelling mistake. Hardly what I'd call shocking.

I had the spell checker working in Firefox once. It stopped working and nothing I could do would get it working again.

[nzspokes]

Perhaps. But if that is so then it's a past where you were expected to do things for yourself and not rely on technology to do it for you.

Which why riders die.

[swbarnett]

I had the spell checker working in Firefox once. It stopped working and nothing I could do would get it working again.

Well, what do you know? Since you highlighted it I had another go and it worked. I haven't tried it in a year or so. I'd say one of the updates must have fixed the problem.

[nzspokes]

Well, what do you know? Since you highlighted it I had another go and it worked. I haven't tried it in a year or so. I'd say one of the updates must have fixed the problem.

Glad you don't work on my computers.

[swbarnett]

Glad you don't work on my computers.

I wouldn't know much about them anyway. I have absolutely no background in Windows. I work on enterprise level storage systems.

[bogan]

ABS gives you the ability to move the bike under hard braking or even turn a little. It does not do anything until it detects a slip.

Years ago I had a car pull out on me on a highway. I was in an old VS Commodore doing 100kph. Im somewhat of a trained driver. The ABS gave me the chance to brake hard and turn the car to clear the car that pulled out on me. I would have hit it in a car that did not have ABS even if I used threshold braking.

Ever seen a car do a stoppie?

If ABS wants to allow me to turn it better bloody well kick in before it detects slippage