Stupid World

[bogan]

I do and have - only way I can see it working is with unlimited recources - which means unlimited power- which might well happen in the next few hundred years.

Exactly, hence why it has to emerge from within the current system, either started by a group of affluent individuals, or by those living a simple but immensely satisfying life. Once it is demonstrated the resources are unlimited (with respect to said groups needs) and that other things like crime, health, education, happiness are all better off too; it will be a no brainier. The point is though, the financial system prevents none of those things from happening; people do, reality does.

[jonbuoy]

Ya don't need unlimited resource. You just need to be more careful with the ones that you currently have... and we're not, not even remotely. We won't make a few hundred years at the rate we're going, imho.

At the moment money keeps a cap on things - only thing that stops us upgrading our cars, houses, clothes more often is money. The death nail in the big V8's in America wasn't so much the Smog regulation it was the cost of fuel in the 70's oil crisis. Imagine every single person on the planet wanting the lifestyle of a well healed westerner- it couldn't happen without unlimited energy.

[Ocean1]

At the moment money keeps a cap on things - only thing that stops us upgrading our cars, houses, clothes more often is money.

What?

We could double the quantity of money overnight and have exactly zero effect on resource availability.

What limits resource availability is the production of resources. Work. Effort. Negative entropy. Unless someone produces it it don't exist. Money is simply the unit of measuring negative entropy, as valued by the majority of society.

Want your share of resources? Earn them.

[jonbuoy]

What?

We could double the quantity of money overnight and have exactly zero effect on resource availability.

What limits resource availability is the production of resources. Work. Effort. Negative entropy. Unless someone produces it it don't exist. Money is simply the unit of measuring negative entropy, as valued by the majority of society.

Want your share of resources? Earn them.

I mean money keeps a cap on demand for resources. If it didnt we would be chewing through them even faster than we are now.

[mashman]

At the moment money keeps a cap on things - only thing that stops us upgrading our cars, houses, clothes more often is money. The death nail in the big V8's in America wasn't so much the Smog regulation it was the cost of fuel in the 70's oil crisis. Imagine every single person on the planet wanting the lifestyle of a well healed westerner- it couldn't happen without unlimited energy.

Then how did upgrading our cars, houses, clothes more often come into being if it could have been controlled using money? The V8 mob may well be offset by the other technology mob. Ya really think anyone wants to live like a well healed westerner? Perish the thought. We should all be hippies.

[mashman]

Want your share of resources? Earn them.

What do you call a blind dinosaur?

[jonbuoy]

Then how did upgrading our cars, houses, clothes more often come into being if it could have been controlled using money? The V8 mob may well be offset by the other technology mob. Ya really think anyone wants to live like a well healed westerner? Perish the thought. We should all be hippies.

The 3 Billion people living on less than $2.50 a day might disagree. Our standard of living has gone up - like I mentioned before. When we were kids not many people had 2 cars in a family - now its common. Even the cars themselves have improved massively.

[bogan]

I mean money keeps a cap on demand for resources. If it didnt we would be chewing through them even faster than we are now.

And that cap is dictated by how much we can get of the stuff, how much work/effort we can put in. Money is just a transfer medium.

And the other elephant in the room, wasteage, if things were not limited, more would be wasted. And shit would be way less efficient; steak dinners every week yo.

[mashman]

The 3 Billion people living on less than $2.50 a day might disagree. Our standard of living has gone up - like I mentioned before. When we were kids not many people had 2 cars in a family - now its common. Even the cars themselves have improved massively.

I'm pretty sure they would disagree too... and as everything seems to be slowly shifting east, I'm sure they'll get their turn. Our standard of living has allowed us to acquire more stuff at various stages of development. Some of it is great. A lot of it is utter shite. The energy and resource that goes into creating that utter shite stuff is pretty spectacular... in that if you could redirect it, you could do some quite marvelous things with it. I would suggest by starting with business hubs and ghost cities so that people needn't really go that far to get to work (lowering fuel consumption, usage and road wear n tear etc...).

[Akzle]

And shit would be way less efficient; steak dinners every week yo.

i do. And bacon and eggs five mornings in seven. Efficiemt as fuck.

[bogan]

i do. And bacon and eggs five mornings in seven. Efficiemt as fuck.

Not compared to boiled cabbage though.

[Akzle]

Not compared to boiled cabbage though.

depends what i intend powering with the exhaust gasses .... in my case a garden.

cows eat vegetables, i eat cows.
that's efiicientenating up the food chain like a motherfucker.

[bogan]

depends what i intend powering with the exhaust gasses .... in my case a garden.

cows eat vegetables, i eat cows.
that's efiicientenating up the food chain like a motherfucker.

See mashy, this is the sort of head in sand fuckwittery that will bring your communist system down in short order.



http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/environment.html

Boiled cabbage for everyone!

[Ocean1]

What do you call a blind dinosaur?

Yes, yes I'm afraid that producing very little and then expecting other people to subsidise your choice does indeed make you a parasite.

And claiming that you have more right to decide what other people do with their earnings most certainly makes you a communist.

All you can hope to preserve from your unfortunate, anti-social and hugely embarrassing behaviour is that if you keep the whining to a minimum the more important contributors to society might not notice you there in the gutter.

[Akzle]

See mashy, this is the sort of head in sand fuckwittery that will bring your communist system down in short order.

[IMG]
http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/environment.html

Boiled cabbage for everyone!

hahaha. 'meat production'.