"Lest we forget"

[mashman]

People that walk into coffee shops and take people hostages seems a good place to start for a definition of 'fanatic'

Why not refer to him as an armed protester? It ain't like Oz don't have no gun crime. Are they all fanatics too?

[TheDemonLord]

Why not refer to him as an armed protester? It ain't like Oz don't have no gun crime. Are they all fanatics too?

Its the hostage part that turns him from an Armed Protester to a Terrorist/Fanatic.

And before you ask - yes, anyone who takes hostages using a weapon but without a religious or political agenda should be extended the same courtesy.

[Edbear]

Same way you defend your people from any enemy: make sure it costs them more than it's worth.

In the case of hostages you kill the offenders at the earliest chance consistent with minimising casualties. You don't talk to them and you certainly don't negotiate.

Although talking does buy time to get things in place. The Police have the safety of the hostages as their first priority as much as they are keen to put a bullet in the head of the offender.

Until you are charged with the task of resolving the situation you can only guess at the Police strategy. My neighbour was AOS for a few years and very worth listening to.

[mashman]

Its the hostage part that turns him from an Armed Protester to a Terrorist/Fanatic.

And before you ask - yes, anyone who takes hostages using a weapon but without a religious or political agenda should be extended the same courtesy.

bank robbery becomes terrorism eh. TPTB have done their job well on ya.

[TheDemonLord]

bank robbery becomes terrorism eh. TPTB have done their job well on ya.

So, you are saying that by my rules - armed bank robbers would be shot on sight, no questions asked....






I fail to see the problem with this - how soon can we implement?

[mashman]

So, you are saying that by my rules - armed bank robbers would be shot on sight, no questions asked....

I fail to see the problem with this - how soon can we implement?

Nope. I'm saying take them all alive.

[Big Dog]

bank robbery becomes terrorism eh. TPTB have done their job well on ya.

How are bank robbers not terrorists? They are using a principle tool of terror to achieve their goals. If anything they deserve less protection. They don't even have the nobility of righteousness to hide behind.

If either of the two should be extended a courtesy it should be the terrorist because you could argue he is a representative of stateless nation in a war.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

If they want to be taken alive they should put down their guns and surrender unconditionally.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Swoop]

Like the police sergeant at Aromoana -- he did it by the book meanwhile Gray shot him!

The cop fucked up, just like the retard at Dunblane.
They knew all about the individual but failed in their duty to the public.

[mashman]

How are bank robbers not terrorists? They are using a principle tool of terror to achieve their goals. If anything they deserve less protection. They don't even have the nobility of righteousness to hide behind.

If either of the two should be extended a courtesy it should be the terrorist because you could argue he is a representative of stateless nation in a war.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Isn't it what they're after that differentiates the two? I kind of agree with you in ways, and in that respect I wish everyone was chipped and their brain wired to an explosive... so the moment that a "perp" (coz the word is so cool) is identified with any form of "smart" radar lock, their brain would be instantly turned to mush. In light of that not being a current reality, there's the reason that the bank robber does his bad thing i.e. wanting to get away with the money, and there's the reason for terrorism i.e. freedom fighting, well, because freedom. Some western country is likely, and has likely, interfered in their country's affairs for way too long. I'd like to know before people get killed. Icky labels with many shades of white. I would say that the freedom fighter be shown "leniency" i.e. allowed to walk so that a WHY can be asked for publicly.

Now that'd be a TV show worth watching. An East v's West should the self-professed freedom fighter be allowed to wear that badge of honour? Interactive and without the need for brain explosives. Why would the East bother watching? Because you will behead the "perp" at the behest of the global public. I claim copyright n all that other shit that means it's my idea and that you have to pay me squillions if you wanna use it

[bogan]

How are bank robbers not terrorists? They are using a principle tool of terror to achieve their goals. If anything they deserve less protection. They don't even have the nobility of righteousness to hide behind.

Hey, don't lump all bank robbers into the stick up artists category. Some of them are just very sneaky you know.

[bluninja]

Hey, don't lump all bank robbers into the stick up artists category. Some of them are just very sneaky you know.

Don't forget the sneaky bank terrorists..."Pay us loads of money and we'll show you how we hacked your systems: don't and we'll tell everyone we've hacked your systems"

[bogan]

Don't forget the sneaky bank terrorists..."Pay us loads of money and we'll show you how we hacked your systems: don't and we'll tell everyone we've hacked your systems"

That is sneaky.

Also in the interests of not forgetting, how about that robin hood bloke, terrorist or not?

[Akzle]

Why not refer to him as an armed protester? It ain't like Oz don't have no gun crime. Are they all fanatics too?

but, shirley since they made it basically illegal to have guns since the port arthur false flag attack thing that really happened, and since all they cops carry guns, they must be safe as!

How are bank robbers not terrorists? They are using a principle tool of terror to achieve their goals. If anything they deserve less protection. They don't even have the nobility of righteousness to hide behind.

If either of the two should be extended a courtesy it should be the terrorist because you could argue he is a representative of stateless nation in a war.

hinteresting.

terrorism: (n) Systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.

guantanamooooo anyone? how about some drone strikes? lets install a new saddam! err, leader, uhh, co-operative democratic system...

Isn't it what they're after that differentiates the two? I kind of agree with you in ways, and in that respect I wish everyone was chipped and their brain wired to an explosive... so the moment that a "perp" (coz the word is so cool) is identified with any form of "smart" radar lock, their brain would be instantly turned to mush.

you should read "halfheads" by stuart b mcbride (pronounced STYUUERT BAEEEE M'KBRAAEEED!!!, scottish like.)

anyway, while all you white folk are having a wank/cry about FIVE people who MOSTLY AREN'T DEAD,
this shit happens every week in syria, palestine, iraq the general-or-otherwise middle of the east (east of england, because the world revolves around england), and if you want to wank on about liberating people from terrorism (happening, since like 2001, eh?) you should take it to them, personal like.

[Katman]

terrorism: (n) Systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.

guantanamooooo anyone? how about some drone strikes? lets install a new saddam! err, leader, uhh, co-operative democratic system...

This. ^

So very much this.