Unmarked police bikes in Perth

[R650R]

Ah, so that's the bike that they're using.

660cc, 46bhp. Meh.

Looks very maneuverable though and I guess that's what counts.

45HP is plenty in the city. I see you have a GSXR750 like I do. I also have a DR650 and believe me at anything below 130km/h the DR is plenty capable of embarrassing a sportsbike...

[R650R]

A really unpopular thought I am sure, but with the proliferation of helmet cams and dash cams why not have a submit a video facility with say 10% of any successful prosecution going to the provider?


On a separate thought:
Dobbed someone in for operating an unlicensed commercial vehicle on a public road in a dangerous manner.
Turns out they were also carrying dangerous goods without appropriate Hazardous Material identification or Material Safety Data Sheets present.
The officers who attended didn't seem to understand why we were concerned a tractor and trailer were swerving all over the road including intentionally ramming someone, or why the lady sprayed with a chemical would want to know what it was.

The officers that attended advised it was unlikely he would be charged.
They were not aware of any reason he should not be driving a farm vehicle on a busy public road without registration, WOF or operational lights.
They were also unaware that someone moving hazardous goods should have appropriate licensing and be adhering to safety guidelines.
They were happy to accept the explanation that the chemical in question was organic even though the driver was unable to identify it other than that sulphur was the primary ingredient. An example of a fertilizer based on sulphur, http://www.ravensdown.co.nz/SafetyDa...sphate-SDS.pdf. Sulphur Phosphate (potash) is listed in directories of organic fertilisers, pretty sure the driver would be pissed if I put that on his cornflakes.

I accept that the dispatcher sent the nearest car because we had also reported attempted physical intimidation and they may not be traffic specialists but surely they have an understanding of the laws sufficient to have acquired a license of their own?
Kind of wish after yesterdays events we had a dash cam... sure would have made reporting the issue a whole lot more cut and dried.

The other thing that pisses me off about that is I guarantee the driver in question is undercutting other operators in the area who are properly licensing their vehicles, do keep them up to WOF standard (or otherwise move them legally) and do adhere to dangerous goods requirements.

You really, really, really should do your homework before telling the police how to do their job...
Super Phosphate is not classed as a hazardous good for road transport, hence why you don't see bulk tippers with DG plates.... If you'd read to the bottom of that link you supplied you'd see that.
MSDS for workplace chemicals are usually stored in the office, the idea is if you NEED to know shit, eg don't know shit you go read it before you start work.
You must have hit pretty hard to be covered in enough fert for it to be a health issue???

[f2dz]

45HP is plenty in the city. I see you have a GSXR750 like I do. I also have a DR650 and believe me at anything below 130km/h the DR is plenty capable of embarrassing a sportsbike...

Oh yea I believe that for sure. I've ridden enough lesser powered bikes to realise that, just thought it was interesting that the cops opt for a bike like that for their unmarked versions whilst they usually have bigger Beemers for their marked rides.

If I was a biker cop I would've thought a smaller bike would be better anyway. Although those BMWs do have a lot of tasty electronic aids.

[Big Dog]

You really, really, really should do your homework before telling the police how to do their job...
Super Phosphate is not classed as a hazardous good for road transport, hence why you don't see bulk tippers with DG plates.... If you'd read to the bottom of that link you supplied you'd see that.
MSDS for workplace chemicals are usually stored in the office, the idea is if you NEED to know shit, eg don't know shit you go read it before you start work.
You must have hit pretty hard to be covered in enough fert for it to be a health issue???

I didn't hit it at all. Doesn't stop someone else who was sprayed directly with it from inhaling it.

I don't know it was superphosphate. I used that as an example of something organic used as a fertiliser no one in their right mind would ingest.

I didn't tell the cops how to do their job, they seemed unsure how to know what it was that he had on board. I suggested he was supposed to have access to the required info because someone who had ingested the product wanted to know what if any medical care she needed.

Either your reading ain't too flash or you are awful defensive.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

I admit it. I got a little ranty because a member or the public ingested a substance the transporter of which was unable to identify ( that's not what got me ranty on its own ) and attending officers were unwilling to pursue getting that information, ( okay a little ranty now) and they were unwilling to ticket someone for driving without a registration or wof because he was just doing his job, and they were unwilling to take seriously corroborated claims that he was driving dangerously.

Focusing on the necessity for a MSDS is a distraction from the issue.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

This has gone way off topic and belongs more in the changes to licensing thread.

Perhaps we need simplification of the rules to where everyone is playing the same game?
Perhaps we need fewer rules so that those enforcing them can be experts in them and those operating within them can have a hope of understanding them?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Also. If they had just said "we will follow up with and proceed from there" I would not have seen anything wrong with the events.

What we got was nothing much will happen because we don't know how to proceed.
Oh there is something specific we could ask? Oh well he has carried on spraying now.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[rastuscat]

I've been emailing back and forth with the Sergent who is running the Perth plain bikes.

When the cellphone law came in here it drove phones down into people's laps, as they tried to update Facebook without being seen. That's why the bikes are nailing even those stopped at traffic lights. Coz a rider on a bike can see the offence so much easier than a car driver.

Their focus is very similar to ours. Seatbelts, traffic lights, cellphones, stop signs.

Funny how two distant places can come up with the same tactic to deal with the same issues. Kind of validates what we do.

[Murray]

Their focus is very similar to ours. Seatbelts, traffic lights, cellphones, stop signs.

Funny how two distant places can come up with the same tactic to deal with the same issues. Kind of validates what we do.

But their focus is not on zero tolerance speeding! Well not that you have mentioned above anyway.

[Ulsterkiwi]

But their focus is not on zero tolerance speeding! Well not that you have mentioned above anyway.

I think in fairness to Rastus he has made his own work practices re speeding well known.
Incidentally, I think the biggest mistake that has been made in relation to the speed thing is the media have been allowed to decide the message which the public hears.

[Murray]

I think in fairness to Rastus he has made his own work practices re speeding well known.
Incidentally, I think the biggest mistake that has been made in relation to the speed thing is the media have been allowed to decide the message which the public hears.

Agree that some police will take a reasonable approach but there are some threads recently showing some rather over zealous practices by some of the force.

Also I would refer you to this

https://www.natroad.co.nz/Story?Acti...&Story_id=1474

And from within this

The following press release from the NZ police website outlines the holiday period vehicle speed management initiative and lower alcohol limits. Please advise all drivers that the police have confirmed there will be no tolerance applied to offences related to exceeding any speed limit. In the past the police have adopted a 4km tolerance through holiday periods but this will only apply this summer period to speed cameras. The initiative runs from 1 December 2014 through until the end of January 2015 according to the press release.

Press release from NZ police - you cannot blame the media for a press release.

[Gremlin]

Oh yea I believe that for sure. I've ridden enough lesser powered bikes to realise that, just thought it was interesting that the cops opt for a bike like that for their unmarked versions whilst they usually have bigger Beemers for their marked rides.

The NZ police use BMWs (currently), but some departments in Oz use the FJR1300. If that is the case for that department, the XT660 makes sense.

[awayatc]

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Agree that some police will take a reasonable approach but there are some threads recently showing some rather over zealous practices by some of the force.

Also I would refer you to this

https://www.natroad.co.nz/Story?Acti...&Story_id=1474

And from within this

The following press release from the NZ police website outlines the holiday period vehicle speed management initiative and lower alcohol limits. Please advise all drivers that the police have confirmed there will be no tolerance applied to offences related to exceeding any speed limit. In the past the police have adopted a 4km tolerance through holiday periods but this will only apply this summer period to speed cameras. The initiative runs from 1 December 2014 through until the end of January 2015 according to the press release.

Press release from NZ police - you cannot blame the media for a press release.

To have to rely on individual "coffisirs" Not ticketing for doing a single k over the "limit"
Is like saying that german nazi camp guards wouldnt kill or hurt any Jews.....

only those who deserve it........

[rastuscat]

The NZ police use BMWs (currently), but some departments in Oz use the FJR1300. If that is the case for that department, the XT660 makes sense.

The WA Pol used Hondas until Yamaha introduced traction control. Now it's FJRs across the board.

That's why the Teneres were an obvious choice.

[SPman]

The WA Pol used Hondas until Yamaha introduced traction control. Now it's FJRs across the board.

That's why the Teneres were an obvious choice.

Here's a Honda 650

The specs for the tender from earlier in the year....

• The motorcycle’s engine is a four stroke, air or liquid cooled with an engine displacement under 1000cc;
• Motorcycles to be available in a variety of colours, including but not limited to ‘white’;
• The motorcycle’s tyres are rated for high speed and suitable for speeds in excess of 150kmh.
• The motorcycle, when in operational configuration (Panniers/storage affixed), is speed rated to a minimum 140 km/h;
• The motorcycle to have an increased ground clearance with the ability to traverse walk ways, malls, kerbs and median strips;
• The motorcycle/s are to be licensed in the State of Western Australia with standard (non - Government) registration plates.